towing with a jeep

[matt6669]

hey guys im just curious
is it possible if you had a car trailer to trailer another jeep with a jeep cherokee
Thanks
Matt

[ROCKREADYXJ]

depends on the weight of the jeep you want to tow and the weight of the trailer. You should also check what the mfg's towing capacity is for the vehicle. not what the hitch is rated for.

[wrangler]

yea sure...you can tow anything...if it struggles put it in low range 2 w drive

[dmxjg35]

yea sure...you can tow anything...if it struggles put it in low range 2 w drive

uhm last time i check our transfer case i dont have a 2wd low, you need to have a vacum discounnect installed inorder to disconnect your axel in 4wd low, and i wouldnt tow like that.

the max towing is 5000lb's a jeep weights between 4850lbs and 4900lbs so with a tranny cooler sure you could tow another jeep, its just braking that would be the problem, the 4.0 would have no problem getting it moving it would be stopping thats the prob.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

yea sure...you can tow anything...if it struggles put it in low range 2 w drive

uhm last time i check our transfer case i dont have a 2wd low, you need to have a vacum discounnect installed inorder to disconnect your axel in 4wd low, and i wouldnt tow like that.

the max towing is 5000lb's a jeep weights between 4850lbs and 4900lbs so with a tranny cooler sure you could tow another jeep, its just braking that would be the problem, the 4.0 would have no problem getting it moving it would be stopping thats the prob.

Now also add the weight of the trailer I know mine is about 1500lbs.

now that will put you over the limit for towing capacity. A tranny cooler will help with the heat but the actual working parts of the trans will not stand up to that weight. I would suggest not towing it unless you use a tow bar. the will not add the weight of the trailer.

I hope that 2wd low range was a joke thats not a good Idea.

[rsegriggy]

How far are you trying to go? If you're going a couple miles (under 5) you may be ok, if you go slow and carefully. I don't think the cherokee is really meant to tow that much.

[matt6669]

well i was hoping to tow to paragon
what else i was thinking is that ill be gutting the entire cherokee or wrangler if i pick up a wrangler
the whole idea behind this is sort of like plum crazy, build a truck and not care about it in the woods and if it breaks it breaks i still got my other vehicle to get me home.
theres a lot of options for me on this one, my wrx is in the shop getting serviced as soon as that comes out i gota few more things to fix and then i am selling the wrx. After that is gone then i gotta do some figuring out.
its either i get a cherokee or wrangler gut the crap out of it and make it weight as little as possible and still have the structure rigidty, OR this one kills me, sell my cherokee and pick up a pickup truck to tow with and then just have my rock crawler but i really don't want to do that.

also the idea of a tow bar is a good one buy i heard that cherokee's don't like to be pulled on the ground with the wheels spinning something about a rear pump in the something i have no clue

anyone know the weight of a wrangler or a cherokee STRIPPED???

im off to work for 12 hours bartending i should make enough to buy me a pos jeep WHOO HOO lol
Matt

[sentinal02]

not sure about the cherokee, but the wrangler only goes about 3K pounds. I weighed mine empty at the transfer station once and it came in at 3200 something. 6 cyl would be a bit heavier. even stripped down though you won't be saving any weight over the stock weight since the lift kit, bumpers, and all the other beefed up components you add will weight more than what's already there so you'll end up around 4K+ anyway. as far as flat towing, all you need to do is remove the driveshafts and you'll have no problem. that keeps the rest of the drive train from spinning and starving for oil.

[matt6669]

well i checked out a couple of wrangler i might have to pick up a wrangler sounds like
ahhhh this could get interesting

Matt

[sentinal02]

well i checked out a couple of wrangler i might have to pick up a wrangler sounds like
ahhhh this could get interesting

Matt

and now starts the age old debate of which generation of wrangler is better, TJ, YJ, or CJ, round headlights vs square, leaves vs coils, etc. you couldn't be happy with what you got could you? :lol:

[matt6669]

of course not, you know the saying once you buy a jeep you gotta buy another
im going to try and find a jeep with all coil b/c then that will be less modifications that i will need to make :)

tho im not to much up on jeeps what year range would i be loooking at
also what does everyone thing is the best

Matt

[sentinal02]

of course not, you know the saying once you buy a jeep you gotta buy another
im going to try and find a jeep with all coil b/c then that will be less modifications that i will need to make :)

tho im not to much up on jeeps what year range would i be loooking at
also what does everyone thing is the best

Matt


ewwww, TJ. lol. you'll be wanting something 97 and newer then. don't get me wrong, TJ's can wheel just as good as anything else out there, but i just don't like the interior. they all have their pros and cons though.

CJ's have the better trannies/t-cases (though you have to go older than 1980 to find the HD trannies and then you run into other problem areas; and the NV3550 they're putting int he TJ's these days is getting a good rep as well as the AX-15 in the later model YJ's and early TJ's) but finding one with a good frame and body will cost you.

YJ's make relatively cheap project vehicles compared to a decent CJ or a newer TJ and you can net yourself 5.5" of lift without a kit going SOA which you can't do with a TJ (don't be fooled though, it's easier said than done and does still cost quite bit to do it right. the plus side is you can add lift springs and go even higher on top of that). Down side to the YJ is the rear axle and the light duty trannies found in everything but a 6 cyl or an auto. both of which will cost you more, but if you're not looking to swap maybe that isn't a bad thing.

TJ's have coils for a better ride and supposedly more flex (though properly setup a leaf spring suspension will flex just as well). down side is you pay more for taller lift kits. just leafing through the lift section of 4wd Hardware's cat looking at the 6" TJ suspensions from Skyjacker, Full Traction, Superlift listed, and they're all over $2K. $2K into a CJ or YJ leaf spring setup will put you well over the 6" mark. like i said you can pick up almost that much from going SOAand that 2K would easily pay for the fab work needed along with the SYE/CV DS combo to go with it (which you would need on the TJ as well at that height), with some left over. The TJ also suffers from the same D35 rear axle as the YJ (at least some models) as well as smaller steering components.

all of them have more options for tweaking clearances with body lifts, shackles/AAL/spacers, easliy trimmed fenders and they're all pretty easy to work on.

poke around the different model forums on the boards and you can pick up what the common problems are for the different models. bottom line is CJ's are getting expensive and rare, YJ's are in between, and TJ's are hot and new but more expensive initially.

[wrangler]

If you install posi lock you can disconect the frount while in low range. in high range i have towed over 2000 pounds. In low range i towed a boat once that weighed over 5000...i towed in 2wd low range with posi lock. As for braking, i would recomened getting a trailer with brakes and installing a braking sytem in you jeep. My jeep has an electric brake system instaled and will trigger the trailer brakes to help slow you down.

[NYWheeler]

His xj doesn't have an axle disconnect. Not to mention he wouldn't be able to get over 40mph without throwing a rod through the side of the block. The rpm's would be way to high. Do it the right way and buy a fullsize truck.

[matt6669]

wow sen thank you so much for that information definitely got me reading some for sure!!!

so it looks like i either decide to two it flat without a trailer and disconnect the driveshafts which sucks convince my dad to let me us his truck everytime i wanna go wheeling, unlikely or b just scrap the idea and just wheel my daily driver
as it seems it would be a waste to sell my xj, and buy a pickup truck (which i might add are ridiculously priced)

to much thinking to do and its hurting my brain way to much hahahaha

Matt

whats everyones opinions on this matter?

[ROCKREADYXJ]

I would build your XJ and drive to and home from the trail. Build good strong axles front and back W/selectable lockers and you are all set. I drove my XJ on 35's back and for to the trails all the time.(before NEUROC) I think the XJ is the best vehicle to do that in you have good amount of storage in the back and a verry well set up wheel base. Then the suspension is very well balanced coils up front and leaf in the rear.This way you would also save money by not having to buy a trailer or not haveing to buy another truck

Good luck.

[Freebird01]

wow sen thank you so much for that information definitely got me reading some for sure!!!

so it looks like i either decide to two it flat without a trailer and disconnect the driveshafts which sucks convince my dad to let me us his truck everytime i wanna go wheeling, unlikely or b just scrap the idea and just wheel my daily driver
as it seems it would be a waste to sell my xj, and buy a pickup truck (which i might add are ridiculously priced)

to much thinking to do and its hurting my brain way to much hahahaha

Matt

whats everyones opinions on this matter?


they are only rediculously priced if you insist you have to have a 4x4. you can get a decent 2wd full size ford for under $3000 usually. the combo of a 300 inline 6 and a granny 4 speed is almost unbreakable in the 80-96 F150's The only problem with these trucks usually is rust to the rear wheel wells and cab corners. neither of which are too difficult to patch.

[matt6669]

driving back and forth to paragon really isn't the biggest deal its A. getting it back home if it breaks after paragon and B. then getting to work the next day are the biggest things that i have to worry about.
and a 2wd pickup is totally outta the question with the winter here i would never be able to survive with a 2wd pickup.
lots of things to consider, i might just wheel my jeep the way it is for now, and then next year this time when i pick up my vette ill re-evaluate my money status and see if i can afford to get a 4x4 pickup and go from there.

that is of course if i run across a nice wrangler for cheap in the mean time muahahahah

Matt

[matt6669]

i might of found just what i was looking for
a 89 cherokee (with leather ohh baby) hahah with a 3" rusty's aal
the guy wants 200 bucks im gonna go check it out, its in conneticut so if it runs and doesn't knock i might just buy it
but i gotta find somewhere to store it because the rents would kill me if i brought it home hahaha
hmmmm this could get interesting

Matt

[flippy71]

i know where there is a early 90's yj, 4 banger neighbor had it out front of his house for sale til someone stole gas tank and doors. now has replacement doors and gas tank. says he tried to start it but it cut out when the sediment clogged up filter. he got pissed and parked in backyard. i've seeen it and is in really good condition. i think he is asking $2000. if this helps anyone drop a note and we'll see what the deal is.

[matt6669]

now if it only have like a 6 cyl in it, that would be decent, im gonna see if i can find a place to store a jeep but find me more info on that jeep doesn't sound that bad

Matt