Need help with some part installs

[matt6669]

Hey guys.
I just bought a 98 jeep cherokee and im trying to get it ready for the 30th for the wheeling trip. My brother (dmxjg35) and i are going to try to get all the stuff on but i was wondering if anyone would be willing to give a helping hand with us as i have to get my RE 4.5 kit on with sye and driveshaft, rocker rails, 32's, and i might get a couple other goodies delivered. So if anyone wants to give a helping hand and if someone has a garage as i don't otherwise ill be doing it in my garage.
Thanks for looking and i can't wait for the 30th it should be fun from what my brother tells me
Matt
The newbie lol

[sentinal02]

Hey guys.
I just bought a 98 jeep cherokee and im trying to get it ready for the 30th for the wheeling trip. My brother (dmxjg35) and i are going to try to get all the stuff on but i was wondering if anyone would be willing to give a helping hand with us as i have to get my RE 4.5 kit on with sye and driveshaft, rocker rails, 32's, and i might get a couple other goodies delivered. So if anyone wants to give a helping hand and if someone has a garage as i don't otherwise ill be doing it in my garage.
Thanks for looking and i can't wait for the 30th it should be fun from what my brother tells me
Matt
The newbie lol

west milford, isn't that just over the border from Warwick? if so then i might be able to come down. only about an hour away from here. would be my first cherokee lift, but i'm very good with tools.

[XEON]

Hey let me know. I am around. I have done an SYE kit and stuff. Let me know PM me and I will send my cell number over so you can give me a call.

[matt6669]

thanks a whole lot guys
i sent you both pm's
if anyone else would be available on a weekend all the help i can get is greatly appreciated
Thanks
Matt

[dmxjg35]

ill be able to help :lol: :lol:

like i had a choice. The main thing we are going to need help with is the sye, ive never done that before, and im not too sure about ripping the t-case appart. If you could help with that justin that would be great.

[XEON]

ill be able to help :lol: :lol:

like i had a choice. The main thing we are going to need help with is the sye, ive never done that before, and im not too sure about ripping the t-case appart. If you could help with that justin that would be great.

OH yea I got that covered... I did mine like 5 times... screwed up once broke the oil pump. Then I had a leak had to pull it all apart again. And now my speedo gear got ripped so now I have to pull it all apart again. I think I will be able to install the kit while the t-case is in teh truck. I did it on mine but it was hard and I was hurting for a few days... its a weird position but its do able. :D

I am there let me know! I wont be around next week though...

[sentinal02]

i've also had my case apart before, not much to it. is this a NP231 case though or do the newer XJ's have something different? also, do either of you guys know if the 98 XJ is the same as the 97 or 99? i have computer copies of those year FSM's if they are. just no 98, so i assume they're pretty close.

[dmxjg35]

yea its the np231 no full time 4x4 thank god, i think the 98 is the same as the 97 and almost positive its the same as the 99. 5 times justin, damn thats crazy i guess your a pro at it.

Im ordering new leaf springs for my rear at the same time to get rid of my sagging add-a-leafs, my question is should i get 4.5" springs or the 3.5" ? i have a 3.5lift with 2 in spacer so about 4.5 in the front, and i have shackels in the rear with the ad a leafs but its sagging like mad

[sentinal02]

yea its the np231 no full time 4x4 thank god, i think the 98 is the same as the 97 and almost positive its the same as the 99. 5 times justin, damn thats crazy i guess your a pro at it.

Im ordering new leaf springs for my rear at the same time to get rid of my sagging add-a-leafs, my question is should i get 4.5" springs or the 3.5" ? i have a 3.5lift with 2 in spacer so about 4.5 in the front, and i have shackels in the rear with the ad a leafs but its sagging like mad

i'd say go with the 4.5" springs. you might nose down a bit, but it would give you a better departure angle and it's better than riding nose up. worse comes to worse you can always shorten up the size of the lift shackles to level it out if you find the're too tall.

Matt, one more thing to think about, being you have the t-case apart already would be a 2Low conversion. i'm sure with all these mods it's expensive enough already, but the kit is only about $100 and if you plan on locking the front in the future, it might be worth it to do it now. just something to think about.

[dmxjg35]

i'd say go with the 4.5" springs. you might nose down a bit, but it would give you a better departure angle and it's better than riding nose up. worse comes to worse you can always shorten up the size of the lift shackles to level it out if you find the're too tall.



thats what i was thinking too, worst case i can slap in a set of teraflex revolver shackles :hail: then i would have some mad rear droop.

[matt6669]

wow way to hijack my thread ya punk.
Well i just got the jeep home today, gonna have to do a little bit more work than i thought, something is messed up with the dash the speedo doesn't work so its not recording miles it might just be a short comes it goes in and out sometime. Also the front end needs an alignment it shakes above like 50 sometimes so ill have to do that but other than that its a pretty awesome truck.
Time to order the parts hahaha
Matt

ps its probs gonna be started next weekend n then finished the following just for the info
Matt

[dmxjg35]

hey justin didnt you have a problem with your speedo a while back? what did it wind up being? im thinking we should just find a junk yard cluster and swap it in, im sure this one is shorting out or something

[XEON]

hey justin didnt you have a problem with your speedo a while back? what did it wind up being? im thinking we should just find a junk yard cluster and swap it in, im sure this one is shorting out or something
Well mine is a speedo cable that runs from the t-case to the speedometer. My problem was that the speedogear inside the t-case just like blew up... a chunk was missing and I have to replace the inside gear and the one that sends the speed to the meter. I have the parts and I just really dont feel like pulling the t-case part AGAIN! I am going to maybe do it one nice weekend where I have time to fix it if I break something else :D.

His problem is probally a short or something. Its all electronic on 91 and above I think. Well when we get the t-case open we can see if its all good to go so...

[matt6669]

yeah im gonna try to hopefully order my lift tomorrow n hopefully ill get it in a week. I have a feeling its going to be a lot harder to get this all done by the time i need to get it done

just what sye kit did you use and driveshaft and where did you get it.
Let me know

hope these parts get here soon
Matt

[Lagooz00xj]

I'd love to help and im pretty familiar with the xj. If u still need some hands and dont think it would be too crowded let me know west milfords only like 45 minutes from me.

[sentinal02]

yeah im gonna try to hopefully order my lift tomorrow n hopefully ill get it in a week. I have a feeling its going to be a lot harder to get this all done by the time i need to get it done

just what sye kit did you use and driveshaft and where did you get it.
Let me know

hope these parts get here soon
Matt

start PB blastering all the bolts now. lay in a supply of propane/MAPP cylinders (one or two full ones should be good), a metal cutting blade for the sawzall, and a few grinding/cutting wheels for the grinder. also, you'll want a set of snap ring pliers for the SYE install. how are you setup for tools? between my stuff and my dad's i have almost anything you could possibly want. deep well sockets, metric and standard stuff, sawzall, dremel, grinders, tall jack stands, rounded nut/bolt extractors, you name it, we've probably got it. only things i really don't have that i can think you might need are a working floor jack and a coil spring compressor. but if you can think of anything you need me to bring besides those let me know. i'll just have to remember to make a list of everything i bring so it doesn't get mixed up. :wink:

[dmxjg35]

orderd his lift today, and my 4.5 leaf packs and stopped at the hardware store and picked up 2 cans of pb blaster and ill blast all this stuff this weekend. its gonna take 5-7 days to get here :(

[matt6669]

i sure hope it gets here before saturday otherwise i won't be getting the sye in before the trip. I might just do the transfer case drop and pray that i don't get vibes. So if it arrives before saturday i will be doing the lift install saturday the 16th so if you wanna stop by you may. I'll post a time but ill be starting in the early morning.
also never to many people so if you got time to come by, your more than welcome.
Thanks
Matt

[XEON]

its gonna take 5-7 days to get here :(
Thats pretty fast... Mine took about 2 weeks because they were out of stock on the springs and the shackles :(. But I was on vacation and they were here when I got back so it was all good :).

[sentinal02]

its gonna take 5-7 days to get here :(
Thats pretty fast... Mine took about 2 weeks because they were out of stock on the springs and the shackles :(. But I was on vacation and they were here when I got back so it was all good :).

even if you do ge the sye installed by then, will that leave enough time to get the new DS fabricated? or did you order that with the SYE based on nominal measurements? with the XJ you could probably get away with the t-case drop and axle shims for a while. i know a few YJ owners who have gotten lucky with their jeeps and ran that combo with a 4.5" lift til they put in the SYE. if they can do it, the XJ's longer shaft should be able to as well. just make sure the u-joints are in good condition.

[matt6669]

yeah theres no way that im going to get the sye in before the 30th so im just going to do the transfer case drop and pray that it works otherwise ill be cruising down in dave's jeep without mine. Lift kit is order now i gotta order all this other bs stuff, i can't believe im gonna end up spending like 200 bucks just so i can get into the park. I still have to buy a hidden hitch and i also have to buy the front hooks to mount to my stock bumper since i won't be able to get a bumper here in time. 80 bucks for those things that ill use once, it really sucks majorly HAHAH
but im ordering my c4x4 rocker rails and the towing things then i gotta go to jc whitney and order my hidden hitch and then i gotta order my tires and rims im gonna be busy. I can't believe im spending like 3 grand in parts alone this is just sick!

Matt

[sentinal02]

I can't believe im spending like 3 grand in parts alone this is just sick!

Matt

didn't Dave warn you what Jeep stands for? Just Empty Every Pocket! welcome to the addiction :lol:

[XEON]

If you are doing 4.5 inches of lift front and rear and no slip yoke... your driveshaft is going to like fall out... Mine almost fell out just driving on the road with 2.5 inches of lift. Damn slip yoke... They finally got smart on the Rubicons...

Anyway if you dont get the Sye and stuff I would not wheel it. You might break more then you put on :D. Just a suggestion.

I will still help ya out though. Not a problem there!

[sentinal02]

Mine almost fell out just driving on the road with 2.5 inches of lift.

interesting. my 3" hasn't had any problem even wheeling it. your shaft must have been too short :wink:

[dmxjg35]

I have at least 4 in my jeep and im just running a t-case drop, and mines been ok for like 6months to a year so far, I wouldn’t use it as permanent or anything but I think the Cherokees have a longer shaft ill have to measure my jeep to see how much actual lift I have, dmv says 4.5 anyone know what a stock Cherokee is to the top of the flairs?

[matt6669]

GAHHHHHH i gotta find tires to
freaking tire rack wants like 510 bucks shipped thats freaking insane!!!!!!
i just called a local dealer and they want 600 mounted and balance thats insane
freaking tires are expensive this stinks
im gonna throw on the tcase drop and if it vibes i won't wheel it, but we'll see what happens HAHAHAH
Just wish i would of gotten the jeep sooner but ohh well
Matt

[XEON]

Dont worry same thing happened to me. Got the Jeep to late and was not ready for a few rides. But I am up and running now. Just takes time lots of frustration and a few days of why did I buy this POS... :D

[matt6669]

mmmm a nice sunny day
time to go find out whats up with the speedometer and do a nice cleaning and change all the fluids
its gonna be a busy day like no other!!
wish i could just pay people to do this sometimes im exhuasted

well now everything is ordered minus my sye and driveshaft

i ended up going with 31x10.5 becuase i talked to a couple people and they said that 32's would rub b/c of the backspacing which is massively gay but i guess ill just have to do

whats everyone else up to this weekend??

Matt

[matt6669]

made some progress this morning
did oil filter
engine oil
both front and rear diff oil
changed air filter
picked up radiator flush kit going to do that maybe tomorrow or monday or something
now i just gotta figure out whats going on with the speedo and then wait for the mass amount of parts to arrive MUAHAHAHA
im hoping we'll have a lift kit by friday of this week if not its gonna have to wait till the following week which i really didn't want to happen
hope you guys are enjoying your beautiful afternoon, i took off for a change so i know i am

have a good one guys
Matt

[dmxjg35]

my hand is still killing me from wacking that gear with my hand inbetween it and the drill :( gettin a huge bruise

those parts better get here soon, i want my 4.5" packs :D

[matt6669]

isn't he such a cry baby, wahhh i hurt my hand i mean come on your working on a car what do you expect lol lol just kidding bro

tires should be here no later than wednesday im actually hoping its tuesday, gonna get those baby's mounted and balanced.
now im just waiting on the lift but i doubt it'll be here in time to do it on saturday but were hoping.

i've already learned the saying for jeep already let me tell you but its so worth it, they are loads of fun

so did anybody end up doing anything good this weekend??

Matt

[sentinal02]

so did anybody end up doing anything good this weekend??

Matt

well i did find a new seasonal maintenance road that i need to check out. i went about half a mile in before turning around (needed to get home). nothing major, just some washed out road bed that was good for a little off camber driving and some flex testing. nothing even remotely hardcore though. there's still about 2 miles to explore though before it come to an end. might go back to pavement before that but we'll see. right now i've got the jeep all torn apart to fix the frame. gas tank is out and there's a nice gaping hole where the shackle should mount up. no turning back now. tomorrow i'm going to finish welding up the replacement piece and hopefully get everything mocked up ready to be welded in. and just so everyone is totally clear on this issue, salt eats cars! :lol:

this is what it looked like about a month ago when i decided that it was high time to do something about it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Frame%20Repair/FrameRot3.jpg

and this is what it looked like today after poking at it with only a screwdriver.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Frame%20Repair/Framerepair012.jpg

needless to say, i think i better fix this before taking it wheeling. :lol: i should have this ready by friday (have to work wed, but if everything goes well things will be back together on thursday and i can install my locker) but if not i hope you'll understand if i can't drive down to help with the lift :wink:

[sentinal02]

hey matt, any news? got a projected delievery date on your lift yet?

[matt6669]

hey tires showed up today and hitch showed up today
can't get tires put on for another couple days my guy is waiting on his tire thingy to arrive at his new shop
and they actually fit on the stock lift i was like HOLY COW!! it looks mighty beastly so i gotta get those mounted
i gotta call my lift guy and see whats going on with that
i need to find his site again its like performance 4x4
so ill let you know if i hear anything

i've discovered a new problem though, my car like to just turn off, and then sometimes it just doesn't want to turn over at first i thought it was b/c i had no gas, filled up the tank, stopped by the one shop turned off the car when i went to go start it again it didn't want to start, so i turned the key then turned it so it went off did that a couple of things and then it finally started, it doesn't make sense at all
Matt

[sentinal02]

hey tires showed up today and hitch showed up today
can't get tires put on for another couple days my guy is waiting on his tire thingy to arrive at his new shop
and they actually fit on the stock lift i was like HOLY COW!! it looks mighty beastly so i gotta get those mounted
i gotta call my lift guy and see whats going on with that
i need to find his site again its like performance 4x4
so ill let you know if i hear anything

i've discovered a new problem though, my car like to just turn off, and then sometimes it just doesn't want to turn over at first i thought it was b/c i had no gas, filled up the tank, stopped by the one shop turned off the car when i went to go start it again it didn't want to start, so i turned the key then turned it so it went off did that a couple of things and then it finally started, it doesn't make sense at all
Matt

by car, do you mean the jeep? and by not turn over, you mean the engine doesn't turn over like the starter is dead, or do you mean it's turning but not catching?

[matt6669]

all the accesories turn on it just doesn't turn over. nothing, like the battery is completely dead but i still get power to everything else, its the weirdest thing
and then if i turn the key back and forth a couple of times n wait a little bit, it starts right up
its so freaking weird
n yesturday when i floored it, it just stalled on me and wouldn't start back up like i said before but i think that might of been b/c iwas on e i just don't know
gotta get all of this straightened out for sure

ohhh nice hole you got there man, that is some NASTY rustage hope you get that stuff fixed

Matt

[sentinal02]

all the accesories turn on it just doesn't turn over. nothing, like the battery is completely dead but i still get power to everything else, its the weirdest thing
and then if i turn the key back and forth a couple of times n wait a little bit, it starts right up
its so freaking weird
n yesturday when i floored it, it just stalled on me and wouldn't start back up like i said before but i think that might of been b/c iwas on e i just don't know
gotta get all of this straightened out for sure

ohhh nice hole you got there man, that is some NASTY rustage hope you get that stuff fixed

Matt

could be the ign switch going, could be the starter. did you hear the solenoid click when you were turning the key? if not, i would track down the starter relay and see if you have power coming in from the switch. if you did, chances are you've got a dead spot in the starter and need to think about replacing. as for my hole, here's what it looks like now:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Frame%20Repair/Done1.jpg

been working on it for the last 3 days. finally got it welded in place and plated this afternoon. gonna put the tank back in tomorrow and bolt everything back together. Por 15 is on order so once that gets here i'll be painting it with that. still have to make a few things for the cross member and the bumper, but most of that i can do anytime. at least at this point i can drive the jeep again :D here's the project log i've been running, lol:

http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1103040#post1103040

[matt6669]

dammmmmn that looks amazing
good job, should feel good to get it back on the road

someone else said probs a bad starter, so im gonna go price a starter and see how much it is, lets hope that fixes it and im back on track. then i just gotta tare apart the dash get teh speedo working again, it worked again today for a couple minutes then crapped out again so i think its a short somewhere its gotta be. so as soon as that is back on track i just gotta wait for the lift kit

its 10 and im going to bed, i feel like an old man i tell ya, this work in the morning sucks!

Matt

[matt6669]

UPDATE!!!

well i believe i fixed my dash problem, so far the speedo didn't crap out for my trip around town so, so far thats good, i ripped it out and then pushed it back onto those connectors we'll just have to see if it stays, but so far it has so thats a good sign WHOOO HOOO

on to more depressing news, i called my suspension supply place and they are telling me that rubicon express STILL hasn't even shipped out my order yet, so this saturday will not be a suspension install even tho i still will be working on the jeep if anyone wants to stop by

sounds like next saturday the 23rd, the week before the trip we will be doing my lift kit install. Im hoping i don't get driveline vibs b/c if i do then i will be going down with dave without my jeep i don't want to take a chance messing up the jeep

tires should be getting put on tomorrow so thats good, now im just waiting for my rock rails from jeepin and my front shackle mounts so we got some stuff arriving

so this saturday will be maintence and some bs parts next saturday will be the big day

Matt

ps sentenial, im thinking about buying a welder, wanna show me how to weld, im thinking about making my own skid plates b/c i refuse to pay the ridiculous prices for skid plates

[XEON]

Cool sounds cool Matt. Yea I had to wait for my leafs to get sent out from BDS. When buying lift kits it takes atleast 2 weeks to get the stuff, because most retailers done have any on hand becuase they are heavey and expensive. :D

Welding is pretty easy. If I were you I would get some pointers from us and try it on your own. Its the best way to learn. I learned how to weld in the back of my tech room with some scrap metal and an auto dark mask (AMAZING BY THE WAY). Make sure you have a grinder to undo your crappy welds :D.

[sentinal02]

When buying lift kits it takes atleast 2 weeks to get the stuff, because most retailers done have any on hand becuase they are heavey and expensive. :D

got my lift in under a week. ordered it from JD's offroad over in Brewster.

as for welding, I'm hardly the one you should be asking for pointers from. Fixing my frame was the first major welding job i've done (at least one that i have some idea of what i'm doing). up til now it was all scrap steel, laying practice beads. definitely worth the time to learn it though. as far as picking a welder, the craftsman 85A mig i have has proven to be a decent machine. a little underpowered for the thicker material, which is why i went with 1/8" steel on my repair, instead of 3/16", but as you can see it got the job done. it will do 3/16", but it's harder to get the penetration for full strength welds and i didn't fell like pushing those limits when i knew i'd be doing some out of position welding. i bought it mainly because i had $100 in gift certificates to sears at the time i was shopping for a welder. so far i'm happy with it. I'll probably hang on to it for a while and then sell it to upgrade to a 220V machine. either that or build my own OBW for the jeep and learn stick. my first attempt at welding was back in HS when the shop teacher was gone for a month and we basically had free reign with the sub. lol. I made a pair of ramp brackets for my uncle and the welds were absolutely atrocious. at the time i had absolutely no concept of puddle control techniques, welding rod choice, heat deformation, etc. out of like 5 feet of welds i think i had maybe 5" that actually resembled anything close to a bead. surprisingly enough though the ramps held (surface area is wonderful :lol: ) and he still used them today, almost 10 years later. and he's running his harley up them into the bed of the truck. just goes to show you what even a bad welder can do. lol.

[matt6669]

yeah im seriously thinking about picking up a nice welder out of one of the magazines i found
i found one that does up to 1/4 for 300 and one that does up to 5/16 for 400 im thinking about the latter.
you figure i make two skid plates and the welder has practically paid for itself already so its not that bad
we'll see what the future does my bank account is running a little slim these days for my spending habit of a week ago now we just wait for parts, dammmn shipping times HAHAH

have a good one guys
Matt

[ROCKREADYXJ]

When buying lift kits it takes atleast 2 weeks to get the stuff, because most retailers done have any on hand becuase they are heavey and expensive. :D

Welding is pretty easy. I:D.

Most companies don't keep leef spring kits on hand for YJ's because there is no market for it. Its been 3 months since the last YJ lift call I got.The off road market is more focused around the TJ.

The welding statement is a little far fetched. For it to be done right there is alot of training and knowledge that goes into it. I would not suggest you go pick up a welder off the shelf and start building a cage or a bumper. There comes a point in time where somethings should be left to the profesionals.

Most accidents are a result of lack of education / knowledge.

[sentinal02]

I would not suggest you go pick up a welder off the shelf and start building a cage or a bumper.

i definitely wouldn't attempt a cage any time soon with my welding skills. too much rides on those welds if you ever need the cage. but i would and am going to be building bumpers for the jeep this summer. the only way to learn is to do it and you have to start somewhere. nothing wrong with getting a welder and starting to weld scrap metal together for practice.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

No not at all but when you are makeing a bumper a tow point welded to a bumper where all the welds are scetchy is kind of a safty issue for the person in the truck and the people around it when alot of force is applied.

[dmxjg35]

anyone know of any good welding classes around nj? id like to take one im a fast learner when im shown how to do it.

id like to get the Hobart welder in northern tools 125v welds up to 3/16 with flux core, and gas upgradeable for heavier stuff for 344.99

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200127024&R= 200127024

or would it be worth it to spend the little extra coin and get the 140a mig with the gas for 479.99

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200306073&R= 200306073

[XEON]

I think VoTech does welding classes. I was looking into it a few years ago but never got around for my parents to pay for it :D. Google it and see what you come up with. If you find something good post it on the forums. Also thats a good welder. Many people lick Lincoln Electric and people say they last longer and they are just great. But I dont know from experience so. But I am getting one this summer I think. Trying to find a good used one for a good price.

[sentinal02]

the max rating for the flux core wire is going to be the max thickness the welder can handle. flux runs hotter than gas shielded wire. if you want something thicker than 3/16" and plan on using the gas, you want to get something that runs hotter. stick with the brand names and you'll be fine. you might also want to look into the stick machines. they tend to be a little cheaper than a mig, and have the same if not slightly better thickness rating. the learning curve is a bit steeper, but once you know what you're doing with it, there's nothing you can't do with a stick that you can do with a mig. if you take a class, or find someone to give you a few lessons then that might be the way to go.

Rock, i hear ya with the tow points and that's definitely a consideration when building the bumper. on mine i'm thinking of getting some of these:

http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/da/f0/5a_2.JPG

and both welding them to the front, and bolting them through the bumper and to the piece of angle that will tie the bumper to the frame. this way you get the best of both worlds and even if the welds fail, you still have 1/2" grade 8 hardware holding the recovery point on.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

anyone know of any good welding classes around nj? id like to take one im a fast learner when im shown how to do it.

id like to get the Hobart welder in northern tools 125v welds up to 3/16 with flux core, and gas upgradeable for heavier stuff for 344.99

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200127024&R= 200127024

or would it be worth it to spend the little extra coin and get the 140a mig with the gas for 479.99

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=6970&productId=200306073&R= 200306073

Check on the american welding society web site. they tell you where to go for classes.

As far as a welder I would go with either a Lincoln or a Miller. I prefer Lincoln have always had good luck with them. You can get thier mig pak 100 its like $500 but it is set up for gas shielded welding. much cleaner weld than inner shield. If i can help any more let me know I had a Miller but now all I have is Lincolns and am very happy

[ROCKREADYXJ]

the max rating for the flux core wire is going to be the max thickness the welder can handle. flux runs hotter than gas shielded wire. if you want something thicker than 3/16" and plan on using the gas, you want to get something that runs hotter. stick with the brand names and you'll be fine. you might also want to look into the stick machines. they tend to be a little cheaper than a mig, and have the same if not slightly better thickness rating. the learning curve is a bit steeper, but once you know what you're doing with it, there's nothing you can't do with a stick that you can do with a mig. if you take a class, or find someone to give you a few lessons then that might be the way to go.

Rock, i hear ya with the tow points and that's definitely a consideration when building the bumper. on mine i'm thinking of getting some of these:

http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/03/da/f0/5a_2.JPG

and both welding them to the front, and bolting them through the bumper and to the piece of angle that will tie the bumper to the frame. this way you get the best of both worlds and even if the welds fail, you still have 1/2" grade 8 hardware holding the recovery point on.

I here ya but those brackets are really strong I had them on my jeep. they never moved. just bolt them on then you can reuse them. They are also are hard to weld to because they are machined from cast. WHo makes them PR industries or something like that?

The only thing you have to worry about is your welds that hold the bumper together. Because they can fail if they are not corect.

[sentinal02]

WHo makes them PR industries or something like that?

not sure who make them. saw them on ebay, but it doesn't mention who the manufacturer is.

[matt6669]

wow some massive action going on in this thread thats good to see

no bumpers and no cages for me, no way, no how
i just wanna make skid plates to protect my truck and now spend like 2 grand buying all the skid plates out there

well im waking up early tomorrow morning to go get the wrx fixed and then its home to work on the jeep some
just another day at the office hahaha

lata guys

Matt

[ROCKREADYXJ]

spend like 2 grand buying all the skid plates out there




I hear you on that but steel is expensiv

[matt6669]

its not overly expensive and i also know a guy who has some that i think he's going to give me a lot of steel since he has no use for it anymore

i just have a hard time spending 300 bucks for a little sheet of metal that someone put two bends in and called it a day i just don't understand that part but hey if people buy it more power to them.
Whelp its 10 o clock and i just woke up, im a little behind schedule but thats AOK so now im off to go get my front radiator support pulled on the wrx from when my mom backed into me, hopefully get that fixed then its back home to work on the jeep whooo hooo.

14 days left and im running out of time, this just isn't good
Matt

[dmxjg35]

we got the hitch on after some yelling by matt hahaha, the god damn nut strip on the pass side was all rusted we couldnt get a bolt threaded in :mad: had to remove the bumper to take out the nut strip and use the bolts that drop down instead, much better then the nut strip

[matt6669]

i love how an hour install ends up taking 6 freaking hours and like 7 trips to the hardware store.
i've now learned one thing through this, take stupid factory crap out the first time instead of trying to retap what is already there, so mad right now you have now idea.

ps im trying to get one of the guys i know that just bought a shop to let me use his shop this coming saturday to do my lift install, hopefully ill get lucky and we'll have a lift to use, if that happens everything will go easy im hoping otherwise ill be killing my back in my driveway again WHOOO HOOO hahaha

who would of thought that a hitch could give so much aggrevation
So the only thing left to do now is the lift and get my tires put on
getting closer but running out of time
Matt

[MYGOODNESS]

WHo makes them PR industries or something like that?

not sure who make them. saw them on ebay, but it doesn't mention who the manufacturer is.

Definetly no welding required for those mounts. 4 1/2" Grade 8 bolts will do the job

[mybigredjeep]

IT TOOK LIKE 3 HOURS FOR MY HITCH.......IT SAYS ITS A 1 HR JOB BUT NOT WHEN YOU ARE DEALING WITH A JEEP....EVERYTHING IS DOUBLE.....GET USED TO IT.

[matt6669]

if that an't the truth then i don't know what is
i couldn't believe how long it took, i finally had to break out the air tools thats how mad i was i never use air tools.
im definitely going to be using air tools for my suspension tho, i really hope it gets here soon, i want to get started on the jeep now, if it gets here sometime this week before saturday im gonna start taking the trackbars off and doing some other stuff to do so we have less work to do saturday. I wanna make this saturday as painless as i can haha
just took a shower and man was that painful, my back is all torn up from laying on the ground all day, deffs gotta see if i can get a shop
so anyone else do anything exciting this week?

[mybigredjeep]

i wired 1 more hella up so now im running 5 lights up front 2 rock lights and soon to come is the 2 in the back.


Hey guys we should have another meet and greet dont ya think? Let me know

[sentinal02]

my back is all torn up from laying on the ground all day

hey you can't complain. i was on my back under the jeep welding and grinding for 4 days straight. now suck it up :wink:

[badzook]

Wish I had 4 days to spare..LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:
badzook

[matt6669]

yeah well i can complain cause i got a behind the desk job for a reason so i could afford a nice house and a lift in my garage just that im only 20 and i don't have my house yet HAHAH
i really wish my lift kit would show up already, i have a feeling my truck isn't going to be ready for the 30th so i guess ill just have to tag along unfortunetly.
so badzook i see you got your truck running again, congrads man good going hope its back to new

time to go to sleep im exhuasted
night all

Matt

[sentinal02]

Wish I had 4 days to spare..LOL :lol: :lol: :lol:
badzook

actually i kind of wish i didn't. it's definitely nice when i have to work on the jeep since it's my DD, but it's bad for the wallet :wink:

[matt6669]

ohhh yeah its definitely bad for the wallet let me tell you
i just keep spending more money and more money its getting crazy now
but ya gotta do what ya gotta do
still waiting for that dammmn lift kit tho

Matt

[XEON]

Yea money goes fast on Jeeps. Well because you fix something... and one or more things break. Its a never ending money pit :).

[badzook]

so badzook i see you got your truck running again, congrads man good going hope its back to new

Matt

Actually, that's not my broken zook. That's a similar rig I just picked up. I'm going to call it Badzook II for now. It's really a nice rig too. It's almost turn key ready to wheel..I just couldn't stand to be outta the wheeling scene much longer, It's killin' me not to be wheelin....:(

Here's a pic of the real badzook.

I just finished prepping the frame and will start the actual build up shortly.8)

badzook

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_65.JPG 8)

[XEON]

Badzook,

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN! That is so cool. Its like watching Trucks TV :D

Looks realy clean and nice and stuff. One day on trails can change that real fast :). Good work!

[badzook]

ohhh yeah its definitely bad for the wallet let me tell you
i just keep spending more money and more money its getting crazy now
but ya gotta do what ya gotta do
still waiting for that dammmn lift kit tho

Matt

You think you've blown the budget?? I'm not looking forward to my credit card bill this month.... I just bought a bunch of stuff to rebuild that zook... :P :P oooooieeeee........

One gallon of Duraback set me back $110 plus $25 S&H Hazardous Materials Shipping...... :roll:

badzook

:roll: :roll:

[matt6669]

hey bad, where in your frame was it bent, that stinks that happened when you went wheeling man, thats no fun i tell ya.
I really hope i can get this jeep finished before the 30th im gonna cut out the middle man tomorrow and call RE and find out where my kit is, and if it hasn't been sent out yet why cause i really want to get that now. If they havn't sent it out ill never get it in time which will really stink.

I actually drove the jeep all day today instead of taking the wrx, it felt great, im really starting to love my jeep hahahah

so anyone else get something that is worth noting this weekend?
Matt

[dmxjg35]

i installed my new cb anten. this weekend so the damn magnetic one doesnt keep falling over like last time, 4ft fire stick mounted to my rack :D

[badzook]

hey bad, where in your frame was it bent, that stinks that happened when you went wheeling man, thats no fun i tell ya.

Matt

This was the majority of the damage.. There were other places where the bolts were ripped out and pulled right thru the frame.. Also the Front axle tube and steering knuckle was bent and the steering linkage was pretzled up. The steering box binds up. One of the rear shocks were bent and possibly a broken birfield joint. I haven't opened up the axle yet to find out about that.... The list continues to grow as I inspect the parts... Goes to show you just what 45k Lbs will do to your rig. :lol: :lol:

The upside is that now, I have a His and Hers rig to play with...I was buzzing around in it today having a blast 8)

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_29.JPG

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_31.JPG

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_32.JPG

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_33.JPG


badzook

[ROCKREADYXJ]

That sucks

It same kind of piece of grap unibody frame thats under the XJ although I am starting to believe that those zooks are even weeker. those frames seem to fold up like wrenolds wrap. Thats a shame wheres all that good old fasion american craftsmanship? lol

Have fun fix'n

[matt6669]

INSTALL IN ON FOR THIS SATURDAY IM JUST HOPING IT DOESN'T RAIN

either pm me or if you already have my cell call me for directions
Matt

whoo hooo kit should be here tomorrow im PUMPED

[sentinal02]

figures. i've got a bday party for my cousin to go to sat at 1 so i won't be able to make it. could help out sunday though if you still need help then. or earlier in the week like friday. they're saying rain both sat and sun though. get your buddy to lend you that garage :wink:

[XEON]

INSTALL IN ON FOR THIS SATURDAY IM JUST HOPING IT DOESN'T RAIN

either pm me or if you already have my cell call me for directions
Matt

whoo hooo kit should be here tomorrow im PUMPED

Hey give me a PM with address. I think I will be able to come. Sorry my garage has been set of off limits for me :(. My fathers taking it over because I trashed it :D.

[badzook]

That sucks

It same kind of piece of grap unibody frame thats under the XJ although I am starting to believe that those zooks are even weeker. those frames seem to fold up like wrenolds wrap. Thats a shame wheres all that good old fasion american craftsmanship? lol

Have fun fix'n

Actually, I have to admit I really did put alot of force into it to do that damage. More than 45k lbs straight line pull. I deserved what I got for doing it. I don't think a Wrangler would have faired any better.. This Samurai frame is boxed steel not a "C" channel like YJ.. I've wheeled it pretty hard in the past and never had a problem..

BTW matt6669 Didn't mean to hijack your thread.. :roll:

badzook

[NYWheeler]

Actually the YJ frame is fully boxed.

[sentinal02]

Actually the YJ frame is fully boxed.

yup. weird size, but definitely fully boxed. you're thinking early CJ's i believe. even the CJ7's had a fully boxed frame.

[matt6669]

hey bad don't worry about it, i love seeing all these posts on my thread hahaha

bad man that frame was messed up pretty bad, but atleast now you can make like a sole trail rig and then have zook2 for trails and dd.

sen, SKIP THE PARTY installing parts on a jeep will be WAYYYYYYYY more fun and you know it hahahah

for anyone wanting to drop by, my address is as follows

29 Ivy Place
West Milford, NJ 07480
cell is 973-600-2063 so if you need directions on the way just give me a call

gonna try to get either my friends garage that he has his business at, or just use someones garage as i have a 100% feeling its gonna rain which really stinks

so we'll be wrenching on the jeep pretty early so come by any time lunch is on me, probs pizza

Matt

ps bad you should drive down dude come do some wrenching haha

[XEON]

Damn... its an hour drive... Damnit I dont know if I will be able to make it then :(. Son of a . I cant trust my Jeep right now. Its giving me some problems. I will try and come. :(

[ROCKREADYXJ]

More than 45k lbs straight line pull.

badzook

Is that 45,000 pounds or 4,500lbs cause that makes a diiference.

[sentinal02]

sen, SKIP THE PARTY installing parts on a jeep will be WAYYYYYYYY more fun and you know it hahahah

no doubt about that! I love wrenching almost as much as wheeling (even when things don't go right, lol), but this party is a month in the making and they'll be upset with me if i don't make it. i already told them to move it up a week because I couldn't make it the 30th. How about we plan your next wrenching party to fix the stuff you're gonna break at paragon :wink: just remember that the next weekend is Mother's Day. "Here mom, I got you these oiled roses and this box of chocolate with greasy finger prints all over it! And can i borrow 50 bucks for new u-joints?" :lol:

[sentinal02]

Is that 45,000 pounds or 4,500lbs cause that makes a diiference.

45,000. he had like 3 winches hooked to him if i remember right.

[matt6669]

hahah now that was funny sen, dammit man, hmmmm so i have to come kidnap sen and i have to go pick up justin in order to get this lift kit on
man ohh man what is this world coming to HAHAHA
one way or another i gotta get this jeep done this weekend, so i can measure up my driveshaft and order that up so i can turn my jeep into my daily driver and put the wrx into the shop so one way or another its getting done
i guess ill just have to eat all the pizza by myself hahah, me and the good ole power tools

duhh justin don't you know your suppose to clean up after your done in the garage, and i don't think my truck would fit out your door from the things i've heard about your garage hahaha

Matt

[XEON]

duhh justin don't you know your suppose to clean up after your done in the garage, and i don't think my truck would fit out your door from the things i've heard about your garage hahaha

Matt

I did but aparently my Dirtbike and quad are in the way? And all my tools are all over the place? (They are in my boxes...) and I was like Dad come on everyday I work on the Jeep I need to keep some thigns out like the Compressor and stuff. Oh well I will ask if you can drop by with your Jeep :)

[ROCKREADYXJ]

45,000. he had like 3 winches hooked to him if i remember right.

To where and on what? Thats a lot of weight.

[badzook]

45,000. he had like 3 winches hooked to him if i remember right.

To where and on what? Thats a lot of weight.


Sentinal 02 is right.. We had 3, 9K Winches pulling. 2 were double line pull with pulleys.. All were anchored to trees behind the vehicles.. All three winches bound up tight and stopped.. Then.. Kaboom....:(

That bumper is very well made and the front reverse shackles are tied directly into it. I'm thinking that the frame should have been beefed up in that area before mounting it all up... That will be corrected this time around.I'm planning to plate it for the first 6" back..8)

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_14.JPG


badzook

[matt6669]

whelp the kit came in today along with dave's leaf packs as well
im missing my rear shocks and my quick disco's b/c they are both backordered, awesome right??
the whole kit looks very nice and i come some nice stickers that i will be applying in a nice fashion to the jeep hahahaha or maybe the toolbox havn't decided yet.

im still thinking ill be doing it saturday if its drizzling i will still be out there, if there is a will there is a way HAHAH so come on and stop by


zook, holy cow man, you guys even had those jeeps strapped to a tree, you should of gotten a piece of wood or branches or something to form a ramp of some sort, dammmn that really does suck, best of luck with fixing all that

Matt

[sentinal02]

Its giving me some problems.

now if you can't make it an hour away how are you gonna make it to pap next weekend? been working on mine almost non stop for the last week and a half.

frame fix: 4 days, still need painting
Aussie install: 1 day, total of 11 hours
rewired windshield lights cause they kept shorting out: 2 hours today
also spent 2 hours adding a rear tow hook to the frame today. figured i'd do that as a better recovery point than the POS steel horse bumper which has no hooks or shackles that i have back there (which isn't back on yet. not sure if it's going back on either) and since i put it on the good side of the frame it won't stress my repairs like the bumper would if i need it. I still have to get some tubing and extend the vent for the rear axle. it fell down over the winter and I figure i might as well move it up while I'm working on it. and i still need to do something with my front brake lines. found out the other day that they're pulling taunt when i flex. i had to replace them to get the jeep inspected and apparently the new ones aren't quite as long as the old ones. even the extension tabs that come with the BDS kit aren't enough to allow full droop. still flexes pretty good though even with the lines pulled tight. but the last thing i need is to pop a brand new line. think i'm gonna relocate the hardlines under the frame. should be all i need to do.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Misc%20Jeep%20Pics/Flex4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Misc%20Jeep%20Pics/Flex3.jpg

hurry up and clean out that garage so you can get yours fixed X! :lol:

[sentinal02]

im missing my rear shocks and my quick disco's b/c they are both backordered, awesome right??

steal dave's when he's not looking :lol:

who needs quick discos right? just make sure you take the nuts and links off before the day of the ride and grease them. then you won't HAVE to have the discos. can always get them in time for the next run. shocks could be a problem though. they give you a projected date on them? maybe get some cheap ones temporarily, or see if RE will reimburse you the cost of the two shocks and pick up a set of doetschs from someone who has them in stock

[mybigredjeep]

just drive up disco'd it will be fun it will be like driving the state puffed marshmellow man.........i had to do that once.
fun stuff

[sentinal02]

just drive up disco'd it will be fun it will be like driving the state puffed marshmellow man.........i had to do that once.
fun stuff

see, one more reason to stick with leaves. mine got all 3 bars discoed and i love it :wink:

[matt6669]

ohhh i don't wanna be driving down the highway with my jeep going all over the place, thats just no fun at all hahaha
going to throw three of daves stocker wheels on tomorrow night so i can go for inspection friday hopefully, hopefully i will pass but i doubt it, since i got ghetto jeep over here. But we will see, if i dont' pass i will have to find someone that will pass me with a lift cause i am not waiting to put this lift on

sen, man you have been busy, you should of come over my house and spent all that time wrenching on my jeep, not yours haha, looks like your making good progress tho, keep it up and it will be soooo ready by the 30th

hey your skipping that party on saturday right, just kidding man

well guys im off to bed i need rest, got work and school tomorrow dammmn college

this thread is getting huge, page 7 already, im going to try and make this the biggest thread on tristate but i doubt that will happen

Matt

[XEON]

If you fail for somehting like emissions or some stupid light. THey will give you papers and 45 days to reinspect it. They will only check what you failed for as long as you get reinspected within 30 or 45 days. So technically if you put lift after you failed inspection for lets say a headlight. You come back on Monday and they will only check for the headlight and you passed. They will have no idea about the lift. Good luck!

[matt6669]

huh i hope thats true b/c im sure im going to fail for something
i really do wish there was more time in the day tho, i just keep running out of time. Going to work practically full time and going to school full time really stinks, it sure does eat up a lot of your time. Those lift components keep looking at me, i wish i could just snap my fingers and then have them be on hahaha

off to work talk to you guys later
have a good one
Matt

[wrangler]

this thread is getting huge, page 7 already, im going to try and make this the biggest thread on tristate but i doubt that will happen

Matt
How big is the biggest thred on tri-sate...do you mesure that by words, lenth, number of post or pages?

[dmxjg35]

i would say amount of pages or amount of posts, currently the longest is in the members forum the stickers thread, its 8 pages long it has posts 106 and 795 views, this one is close 2nd tho with 97 posts and 592 views


has anyone ever bought anything from ok4wd? i forgot to order longer u-bolts when i ordered my new 4.5" full packs so the stock ones im sure arent going to cut it any more. So im thinking about taking a ride up there if it rains hard on sat, get some longer u-bolts, pin bar elims for my shocks and maybe some teraflex revolver shackles http://www.forum-fever.com/forum/images/smiles/drool.gif yummy

[matt6669]

ahhhh im glad that this thread is getting close to the biggest thread, im going for it, we need to keep this thread going. im sure it will be going for atleast another 2-3 weeks with me talking about my lift and then scheduling for some help to come and install my sye so its very possible this will become the biggest thread.

so tomorrow i gotta come home from school and try and take my jeep for inspection so it can fail hopefully it won't fail but i have a feeling it will
then saturday im going to have to try and get that lift on but we'll see how the weather is and such

hey sen make sure you have fun at that wonderful party, i know you wish you were helping with this awesome project of ours hahahaha

while i was at school tonight i was putting some numbers together with the purchase price of my vehicle im looking at over 9000 bucks to get my truck set up nicely for trail ready so that kinda hurt to look at haha it adds up quickly for sure

anybody make anymore progress on there jeeps

[sentinal02]

so matt, ya still under that thing? :wink:

[dmxjg35]

so matt, ya still under that thing? :wink:


omg..... from 12:00 till 11:00pm we were under that damn thing, couldnt get the upper control arm bolt off had to cut it off, broke 2 rear shock mount bolts, they sent us the wrong u-bolts had to heat them up and bend them was such a mess huge pain in the ass, they also didnt send front socks bounces like a hooptie LOL matt will fill in the rest, im off to eat and then go to bed

Thanks for coming up justin, and thank god this dude peteie stopped buy

[matt6669]

all im going to say is that rubicon express is going to get their asses chewed off monday morning im so freaking pist off at them right now its not even funny. They better be either A giving me a part refund on my kit, or B sending me something free, or C giving me a huge discount the next time i order
then on my order sheet it says they sent front shocks when they really sent rear shocks im like wow your a dumb piece of crap and their sway bar disco's are still on back order im just loving rubi express today

like dave said if this guy that i know petie didn't stop by we would of been totally screwed. he's friends with the guy that i used the shop of so when he showed up we were able to use the lift, one we did that, he pretty much just showed me how to do all the work and totally kicked ass with that torch this guy knew so much i was really impressed
i will fill you in more but all i gotta say is rubi express ohhh do i hate them

and thanks again justin for coming out, your help was definitely valuable thanks again

im off i need sleep
night all

Matt

[XEON]

Hey no problem. I had fun watchign you guys work on that rear end. 3 people is enough anymore people under the rear would have been in the way. Thats why I backed off. Took care of the t-case drop. I am just worried about the sag on the dirvers side and the driveshaft. Very weird shit...

Make sure you call RE and get your shit. Make sure you get the U-bolts for the 8.25. We will bang those in, in less then 30 minutes. You should put the right ones on. :D

I am tired and hungrey... :)

[sentinal02]

that sounds like it's par for the course. isn't rust wonderful? that's why i made sure i had a couple days to work on mine. the main eye bolts in the rear were the worst for me. had to cut the heads off both rears and pry them out of the hangers. all that back ordered stuff and the wrong stuff isn't right though. kinda makes me glad i went BDS, though i'm sure it could happen with anyone. glad ya had lots of help though! you did remember the antiseize right? :lol:

[matt6669]

antisieze whats that nope deffs didn't use any of that it was way to late and i was way to tired to be messing around with that crap

justin the jeep is sitting practically level this morning i think we were all just a little to tired and not seein straight.

but that front driveshaft being dry locked i don't know wtf is up with that, gonna have to play around with it and see what happens so who knows

im off to work im sore as a mother this morning i havn't hurt this much in a while man this is brutal

later guys
Matt

[dmxjg35]

but that front driveshaft being dry locked i don't know wtf is up with that, gonna have to play around with it and see what happens so who knows

Matt

I just looked under his jeep while i was mesuring mine for a new muffler, and his front ds is aok i guess driving it fixed it up b/c its out 1.5in now, in comparison mine is out an 1in but i also have a half in more of a tc drop. So it looks like no worries with that.

[sentinal02]

ahh, so it's drivable now. excellent! any vibe issues matt?

[matt6669]

no vibe issues that i know of so far but it only got driven about 2 miles and at about 30 mph no more since i don't have any sway bar's hooked up and i don't have front shocks at the moment

i have a feeling that my shocks won't be here in time so i probs won't be bringing the jeep even after all the work i've done to get it done in time
gotta love rubi express

im starting to think i wish i would of went with the re 5.5 or the full traction 6 incher, it just doesn't seem big enough for me but ya know, if i use this for a little while and it doesn't suffice ill just have to go bigger hahaha

so sen how did that birthday party turn out??
do i order my sye or do i know hmmmm that is the question

[sentinal02]

i have a feeling that my shocks won't be here in time so i probs won't be bringing the jeep even after all the work i've done to get it done in time
gotta love rubi express

find out the projected date they'll have them in stock and then let them know how unhappy you are with their service so far. tell them that express shipping on the backordered components would greatly improve your view of their company so far. make sure they're getting you front shocks though since they said it was the rears you were missing. if it's in their system that you were missing rears then you could end up with a second set of rear shocks and have to wait even longer.

[matt6669]

OMG i hate rubicon express so much i freaking hate how i have to call the stupid guy that i ordered my lift kit from because they can't go into his files, thats just plain old retarded, now of course no one picks up when i called performance off road center so now i sit here and wait.
im so pist, grrrrr
what an eventful weekend and now its going to turn into an eventful week, this is just plain old GAY
looks like ill either be tailing along with dave for this trip or i might be skipping this trip, we'll have to see how things go

even the guy at rubi express was like how the hell did they screw that much up, that bad, he's like call your supplier and have him call me immediatealy im like wow why can't you just do it all for me now

a disgruntled customer of everyone!!

Matt

[XEON]

Trust me I know how you feel. I had to wait way over a month for my damn driveshaft... that was a pain in my ass. Called everyday left a message no repsonce... But I finally got it and wahoo :)

Just be patient and try and get some good stuff out of there mistake :)

[matt6669]

whooo hoooo well my rock rails and my front towing points came today from jeepin.com
man i must say, jeepin.com has been fantastic, they have shipped everything right away for me and i have YET to have a problem with them. Most of their prices are really good and they have been good to be so far so go check em out

another note, the custom 4x4 rock rails are amazing, 220ish bucks and you get the best looking and the best made rock rails i tell you deffs can't beat em!

still havn't heard back from porc, gotta freaking love it only me man, only me

[sentinal02]

whooo hoooo well my rock rails and my front towing points came today from jeepin.com
man i must say, jeepin.com has been fantastic, they have shipped everything right away for me and i have YET to have a problem with them. Most of their prices are really good and they have been good to be so far so go check em out

another note, the custom 4x4 rock rails are amazing, 220ish bucks and you get the best looking and the best made rock rails i tell you deffs can't beat em!

still havn't heard back from porc, gotta freaking love it only me man, only me

AHHH, almost 24 hours without a post! looks like i'm just in time. :lol: get those front hooks in today matt?

[dmxjg35]

hes lazy, he did get the front shocks and discos today, they arent as nice as my jks's but the new re ones are pretty nice got the shocks on, maybe ill help him tomm do the discos and the tow hooks if hes lucky that is lol

[matt6669]

front hooks and rock rails came yesturday still not on the jeep yet tho

but my front shocks and disco's did come today but WAIT another screw up, they didn't send me pin bar's for my front shocks so here i am with a sawsall trying to cut the freaking pin bars out of my old shocks since they were stuck in the rubber im like wow re you SUCK!!!


got the front shocks in, in the pitch dark, so i decided to take it for some trail riding, the shocks blow my ass i will never buy doochetech shocks again, ill probs end up buying old man emu's or something with the shock resovoir when these go bad. but i did find out today that i will need and sye and driveshaft as i do in fact have some driveline vibes unfortunetly, so looks like the jeep isn't going to make it this saturday even tho i thought it would im so mad haha

so looks like yet another call to good ole performance off road center to see if i can get all of this shit straigthened out whooo hooo gotta love this stuff

ps does anyone know if there is a difference between the sye that re sells or a sye that anyone else sells
im definitely going with a tom woods driveshaft im gonna try to get some money off the re sye if its the same

Matt

[XEON]

Try shims first for your driveshaft. I know Scotts got some 4 degree steel ones he might sell ya. I used 4 degree and BAM gone vibes. Make sure your rear pinion is directly pointed at the t-case. Mine was parellel to the ground and now its aiming close to the t-case. Works perfect now. :)

[sentinal02]

Make sure your rear pinion is directly pointed at the t-case.

that's only for an CV shaft setup. conventional shafts want the t-case output and the pinion parallel. definitely worth a try before dropping the money on an SYE kit though.

[dmxjg35]

i think he should try to add some washer to the t-case drop, the crappy drop kit re gives you is only like 1/2-3/4" drop i dont think that is nearly enought, the one i have in my jeep from skyjacker is at least 1" if not 2" i think another 1/2" to an 1 and the vibes should go away

[XEON]

I have some big spacers if you need them. I have 2 sets of t-case drops for my Jeep. Let me know.

[matt6669]

wow man do i have no ambition to do anything today
left work at 4 came home and havn't done a single thing
was going to work on the jeep but ya know i just don't feel like it
called up porc waiting for them to call me back AGAIN this is retarded
anyone wanna come finish my jeep for me

Matt

[matt6669]

whelp it seems this jeep is going to be the death of me. I work on this dammmn thing practically ever day and it seems like i get nothing completed.
I am at the stage of trying to get the bolts out so i can put my disco's on yeah i thought that was going to be easy. First i tried pounding it out, then the guys over on jeep forums said to use a c clamp to get it out, that didn't work, so my brother tells me to grind it out i tried that, THAT doesn't work, so i finally had to go and drill it, i worked on it for like 4 hrs yesturday and i got one side completely finished and the other side i just started to drill, this sucks majorly. At this rate ill never get this truck on the road grrrrrr

I also think im going to have to relocate my brake lines b/c now my tires are hitting the brake lines.
I also need and alignment
and i also need to order in my sye and driveshaft, but im still trying to figure out who to go with, do i go with the tom woods driveshaft or the highdriveangle.com drive shaft i just don't know

well im off to school just wanted to give you guys and update, ohh and the rock rails still arn't on, im gonna try to get them on today after school
lata

Matt

[XEON]

Did you try some heat man? It worked wonders on my rusted 88 bolts... Alittle heat and some beating the bolts they will come out. Just put some balls behind a 20lb hammer :)

[dmxjg35]

Did you try some heat man? It worked wonders on my rusted 88 bolts... Alittle heat and some beating the bolts they will come out. Just put some balls behind a 20lb hammer :)

that would have been the way to do it, but we dont have anything that would get near hot enough. I donno why i didnt think to have pete heat them up the nite we put on the lift so i could have banged them out for matt. Oh well it more fun this way..... for me at least watching matt go through everything i did hahahaha

[XEON]

Oh well it more fun this way..... for me at least watching matt go through everything i did hahahaha

AHHA Like Jesse James says. If the hammer doesent work get a BIGGER one :).

Yea we all had to deal with this. Broken bolts and all kinds of other fun stuff. Dont get too worked up when your Jeep kicks your ass. Becuase in the long run you know you have a blast doing it. I remember when I did my lift and other stuff. I have over 3-4 bolts break off and I had to get them drilled out and stuff (Thanks Scott). Welder came in handly when I busted the nuts welding in the frame. Cut them out and welded bigger and stronger nuts in there fully welded and stronger then stock. Just take your time dont get into a rush because that leads to problems. Like I had to wait like 2 months for a damn driveshaft. My Jeep was ready to go but no rear driveshaft :(. But I finalyl got it and it was like Christmas when I was 5. If you cant make it to the wheeling trip. Big deal we have atleast one a month :). Good luck with that. And Dave try and help your brother :).

Oh and if you guys need any help. I only live like 35-40 minutes away. I dont have a problem helping out :D.

[matt6669]

whelp it turns out my dad got it out while i was at school, last night i was drilling the other one out so i had like gallons of wd-40 on it so it must of lossened it up enough that he was able to pound it out. so thats good i just gotta put my other sway bar link together now and i will be good
sucks that ill be missing this months ride, but ill deal, im gonna order my sye asap so we'll have that set
tomorrow i might work on the truck so we'll see about that to
hope you guys have fun
Matt

[sentinal02]

sucks that ill be missing this months ride, but ill deal

thought you were gonna ride down with Dave :(

[matt6669]

i was suppose to, but the bar that i bartend/work at, we had someone that was really close to us pass away, so all the other bar tenders and workers there have to go to the funeral, my boss was just going to shut down, but i told him i could cover for everyone so i gots to do my duty of covering unfortunetly. Plus i want to experience it in my truck for the first time, my truck is going to be a monster just you guys wait
hope you all have fun
nighty night

off to work tomorrow then wrenching on the jeep to get my last sway bar on and hopefully my front tow hooks AND my rocker rails whooo hooo

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Sounds like you need the red wrench

[matt6669]

a red wrench??? what am i missing
rain rain go away come back another day i want to work on the jeep today inbetween working lol lol
hope everyone is having fun on their ride
Matt

ps i drove it last night, that thing is a BEAST so much fun

[ROCKREADYXJ]

red wrench is a nickname for a torch. It will take off any bolt

[NYWheeler]

I must be doing something wrong, all my installs go real smooth with no stuck bolts or problems.Guess it helps when you have the use of a shop with any tool you could need. Good luck with the rest of the install.

[matt6669]

ohhhh got ya, nahhh i need more than that, i need to be able to pay people to do all this work for me, but then again what would be the fun in that
so i hear dave had the best luck of the day, anything else happen today guys

Matt

ps anyone know any good places to order an sye and driveshaft i was thinking about highdriveangle.com cause i here there driveshafts are teh strongest any word on them

[sentinal02]

just as well, we weren't too sure dave was gonna make it home. anymore weight in that thing and he probably wouldn't have :lol:

[ROCKREADYXJ]

ps anyone know any good places to order an sye and driveshaft i was thinking about highdriveangle.com cause i here there driveshafts are teh strongest any word on them

Call me I will give you a deal on one I have AA and JB SYE's and Tom Woods and Six States Drive shafts.

Joe 845-355-ROCK

[matt6669]

hey joe
never got a chance today to call you, i was fixing my transfer case drop, but i will give you a call tomorrow
my bro wants to get his sye and driveshaft to but he wants to know if he'll be able to use the same driveshaft if he ends up getting a ford 8.8??
let me know
Matt

[XEON]

my bro wants to get his sye and driveshaft to but he wants to know if he'll be able to use the same driveshaft if he ends up getting a ford 8.8??
let me know
Matt

When he gets the 8.8 the shaft will be shorter. And he will need to get a yoke conversion for the 1310 yoke that will come with the cv shaft for the dana 35 that he has :).

[wrangler]

is this the longest post on tristate yet?

[matt6669]

its got to be, this thing is freaking huge man
gahhh just gotta buy my sye i love this thing, its so much fun
Matt

[sentinal02]

its got to be, this thing is freaking huge man
gahhh just gotta buy my sye i love this thing, its so much fun
Matt

now just think how much more fun it would be if you could take off your top!

[XEON]

its got to be, this thing is freaking huge man
gahhh just gotta buy my sye i love this thing, its so much fun
Matt

now just think how much more fun it would be if you could take off your top!

Well... he could... eheehe

[sentinal02]

Well... he could... eheehe

true....hmmm. Dave, grab his spare set and meet me in Warwick. I'll bring the sawzall and grinder. quick before he wakes up! :lol:

[XEON]

haah if I had an XJ adn in the morning my top was chopped I would fall to the ground and thank god for the wonderful gift :D. How awesome would that look? Well lets look at rockreadys xj its been hacked and beat. I think it looks wicked :)

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Thanks I try hard to beat her thats why its red

here this has the roof still

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ROCKREADYXJ/164868326CsDRqy_ph.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ROCKREADYXJ/164868852zsXabR_ph.jpg


here is my spotter working hard good thing I cut the roof off


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ROCKREADYXJ/164870223zTcahb_ph.jpg


Remember Xeon the body is for sale Or maybe we can have a charity event $1 per swing with a hammer

[XEON]

Remember Xeon the body is for sale Or maybe we can have a charity event $1 per swing with a hammer

I say thats a good idea. Find a place where we can beat the poop out of it and charge people. And maybe have a winning prize if someone makes it explode. HAHA

[ROCKREADYXJ]

I like that idea I think i will take every thing out and put it in the new truck then everyone can come buy and take swings at it. I will make it a little cheaper 4 swings for a dollar.

[XEON]

I like that idea I think i will take every thing out and put it in the new truck then everyone can come buy and take swings at it. I will make it a little cheaper 4 swings for a dollar.

HAHA That would be fun to beat on a Jeep. Get your anger out on someone elses :)

[dmxjg35]

matt was outside putting on his rock rails when i got home from work so i ran in and got my camera :lol:

heres matt looking confused

http://www.forum-fever.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/matt%20confused%20%28Medium%29.jpg

and heres an overall pic of how his jeep is looking

http://www.forum-fever.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/matts%20jeep%20%28Medium%29.jpg

[XEON]

Matt working and not yelling? Thats nice :)

AHAHA Just busting. Yea that night I would have gotten pissed too. But next time.. check everything to make sure its right. :D Those damn u-bolts... I would have put everythign back together and waited. But hey Pete was there drinking away that fridge and it worked out in the end :)

[matt6669]

hellz yeah man, he lowered that refridge reallllll quick hahah but it was a fun night, im just happy its over
i got the u bolts from porc and OMG is there a huge difference in the ones that they sent me and the new ones man im like wow i wish i had these that night hahahaha stupid rubi express

well i thought i was going to get both rails on tonight but i got distracted talking to a neighbor so tomorrow morning i will be finishing the other rock rail and doing my front tow hooks, along with replacing the old u bolts with the new ones

then i gotta go and tare into the wrx to start getting that thing fixed so i can pass inspection since it failed for a whole crap load of things so i got tons of things to do

plus i gotta clean out the inside of the jeep b/c its still got a slight smell that im not to happy about from the previous owner

then its time to go get it realllly muddy down in the back

ps man that thing looks good in pictures my truck looks pretty good i must say, i love black jeeps
Matt

[dmxjg35]

its just the awesome camera mans skillz/camera that makes it look good. You gotta take a tourch to those flares they look horrible all faded stupid jeep

[matt6669]

whelp i worked on the jeep from 10 this morning till 3 o clock when i had to go to work
i got the other rock rail on
got the front tow hooks on (man they were a bitch and a half)
and the new u bolts on, man did i tighten those babies the other night!!
so all of that is finished thank god
now i just gotta order than dammmn sye and driveshaft and then have another install party HOLLA!!!!!
so we got some massive things going on can't wait!!
the truck is almost completed
gotta get some new pictures up for you guys
Matt

[matt6669]

whoooo hoooo just ordered a sye and driveshaft for both my brother and i, should have them hopefully on saturday

i ordered them through rockreadyxj here on this board, he worked out a nice deal with me and definitely sold me on his product, extremely kind and helpful will definitely be doing business with joe again in the very near future i am sure of it.

Matt

[XEON]

Good to hear everything is going well. I told you once you get some stuff in and get shit installed having a Jeep is not all that bad... well unless somethign breaks... ahha which it will. Matt you will be working on your Jeep every weekend. I knwo I am...

[matt6669]

no way thats why i bought a 98 instead of an 88 those 10 years deffs make a difference HAHAHAH
can't wait to go pick it up then i just gotta get it installed not enough time in the day i tell you, this sucks hahah

how's everyone else's projects coming along?

[NYWheeler]

Here's a couple of projects going on.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0283.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0284.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0285.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0286.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0287.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0288.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v363/liinstaller/100_0289.jpg

[dmxjg35]

:shock: :shock: :shock: uhm.... wow i knew you were doing some work but damn, is that the frame from the tj? who is doing that welding on that, it looks amazing. And that cherokee *insert drool smilie* that is awesome, what engine is that? looks like a 302 or something out of a camaro or a vette. more info please

[Lagooz00xj]

302 is a ford motor, maybe a 305 judging by the chevy valve covers...

those welds look prefect, i really wish i could weld like that.

[dmxjg35]

302 is a ford motor, maybe a 305 judging by the chevy valve covers...

those welds look prefect, i really wish i could weld like that.

woops thats what i ment, i hit the wrong key

[matt6669]

yeah yeah you hit hte wrong key my butt, you don't know anything, you just wanted to qoute something ford cause your cool like that hahaha just kidding bro

i dunno that could possibly be a 350 crate engine as well, its very possible its got the size to be one, but my guess would be a 305 like someone just said

and those welds are boootiful man,
what r u doing with those welds, at first i thought that was an xj chassis that you were doing a spring conversion then realized that you have welded on adapters for leaf springs so im still trying to figure out whats going on there hahaha let us know, deffs looks like a fun project

Matt

[NYWheeler]

Thats a 305 in the XJ with throttle body injection. The frame is my YJ frame. Its set up to stretch the wheelbase about 6 inches and to bolt up fullsize fullwidth axles. My buddy's boss is doing all the welding.

[gotmud4myxj]

i thought xj's only came with 4.0's :lol:

[NYWheeler]

Thats a special order XJ. :lol:

[matt6669]

that is definitely a nice setup on both accounts

whelp just tried to grease my bushing and once again sears crap fails again
gotta take the gun back with grease in it, and be like YO refund my money, gonna go buy a gun from somewhere else
just another wonderful day working on the jeep gotta love it hahaha

Matt

[XEON]

NYWheeler... Nice friggin welds man! Damn... I wish I could weld like that... Thats TIG right?

[NYWheeler]

They are mig from that 220miller next to the frame.

[XEON]

They are mig from that 220miller next to the frame.

God welds :D haha damn I just wish...

[matt6669]

whelp just bought a serpentine belt and some new grease fittings since the ones i had sucked majorly and i couldn't get the grease into the fitting
so now im off to go work on the jeep some more YAY hahaha its a never ending process i've determined

thinking i might order my front and rear bumper from ridigco with the rear tire carrier havn't decided if i like his rear atire carrier tho hmmmm the decisions i tell ya hahaha

Matt

[sentinal02]

thinking i might order my front and rear bumper from ridigco with the rear tire carrier havn't decided if i like his rear atire carrier tho hmmmm the decisions i tell ya hahaha

Matt

sounds like Dave's got a project for his new toy :lol:

[matt6669]

yeah i know but he still has to return the one and get hte new one

whelp got my grease fittings fixed, got my new serpentine belt installed

installed my radar dector from the wrx to the jeep hardwired cause im cool like that

also mounted and installed the cb radio
now i gotta figure out a way to mount my antenna b/c it really didn't come with a way to mount it, so that'll be tomorrow's project
got to much stuff but its getting closer and closer to completion whooo hoooo

Matt


ps i might just have to start fabbing up some parts with dave's welder

[XEON]

Make a nice antenna mount :). You can mount it off your rear tail lights or make a bracket off your hood there are lots of places to put i t on your rig. Good luck!

[matt6669]

yeah theres lot of places to mount it, i just don't want to drill through any sheet metal to mount it
i've come up with a good idea to mount it, should work well untill i get my roof rack

to much stuff to uy, my checking account is not liking this at all, it had lots of money in it at one time\

[XEON]

it had lots of money in it at one time\

It will NEVER be the same when you own a Jeep... I learned it the hard way. I have hmm about $50 in the bank right now...

[matt6669]

well i can atleast say i have a lot more than that, but i deffs had a nice blanket to lay on before i bought this jeep
but then again i do work 7 days a week so thats why i have money but whats the point of keeping teh money might as well spend it when you got it can't die with it

Matt

[badzook]

well i can atleast say i have a lot more than that, but i deffs had a nice blanket to lay on before i bought this jeep
but then again i do work 7 days a week so thats why i have money but whats the point of keeping teh money might as well spend it when you got it can't die with it

Matt

Yup.............What He Said........
Just
Empty
Every
Pocket......... :roll: :roll: :roll:


All of the money is too heavy to carry around anyway.... :lol: :lol:

badzook

[sentinal02]

Just
Empty
Every
Pocket......... :roll: :roll: :roll:



so what's your excuse? or does zuk stand for something as well? :lol:

[matt6669]

ahhh hahahaha ouch that was a low blow man lol lol
whelp just heard from joe, he said my driveshaft was back ordered so he said probs monday or tuesday or sometime around there.
just hopefully ill get it in time to install gahhh its coming down to the wire lol lol

Matt

[matt6669]

ahhh hahahaha ouch that was a low blow man lol lol
whelp just heard from joe, he said my driveshaft was back ordered so he said probs monday or tuesday or sometime around there.
just hopefully ill get it in time to install gahhh its coming down to the wire lol lol

Matt

[dmxjg35]

got my new Alternator in and the belt tightened, but im not sure if its too tight or not. I read somewhere that you have to make it tight enough that on the longest run of the belt you cant turn it 90 degrees but it its making a whistling noise, almost sounds like i have a supercharger under my hood haha sounds sweet but im concerned that its too tight. Any ideas?

[wrangler]

this is nuts...i stoped reading this tread on like page 8

[matt6669]

look at all the great info you've missed because you stopped reading this thread look what happens SHAME ON YOU!!!

whelp i got stuff done today as well. Finished installing my antenna for my cb radio its all mounted up there pretty sweetly untill i get my suroco roof rack then ill mount it differently, but for now this will work.
dave and i tested it out, comes in nice and crystal clear good thing hahaha

so the only thing left to do is the sye and its probs one of the hardest mods but ohhs well

signing off for now
lata

Matt

[sentinal02]

ahhh hahahaha ouch that was a low blow man lol

well he does have an XJ too so i guess he's got a good excuse. lol. better be careful though Bad, I've learned that Jeeps can get very jealous of other vehicles. seems every time i work on someone else's car or truck, the jeep develops sympathy pains. all that work on the Zuk might make yours jealous. :lol:

[matt6669]

ahhh hahah dave is gonna have some pictures for you guys to look at, we got bored so went behind my house and did a little mud bogging, parents arn't going to be to happy about all the mud in the driveway lol

so im just waiting patiently for my sye and driveshaft hopefully ill get it in time to install it otherwise ill be faced with the idea of wheeling it with just the transfer case drop or not take it and just ride shotty
hmmmm

Matt

[matt6669]

http://www.forum-fever.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/mud%20001%20%28Medium%29.jpg
http://www.forum-fever.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/mud%20002%20%28Medium%29.jpg
http://www.forum-fever.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/mud%20003%20%28Medium%29.jpg
http://www.forum-fever.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10002/mud%20004%20%28Medium%29.jpg
whoops parents arn't going to be to happy about that mud on there precious driveway hahahaha

hope you guys enjoyed viewing it was a little dark but we managed

Matt

[matt6669]

well today i've determined that i need to lock both my front and rear axles asap
so today i wanted to flex the crap out of my front axel and some retard parked in front of "MY" rock so i had to go search for something else, so i found this huge true that fell over and it was somewhat rotted so if i took it at a low angle i couldn't get up b/c it kept falling apart but if i went at to hard of an angle my tires just spun on the ground while the wheel on the tree just sat there so i need to lock my front asap

also im contemplating if i should go bigger with my lift, i might just sell my lift and go full traction 6 in long arm, or maybe t n t and put something together who knows im kinda bored with my small lift i have now tho

GAHHHHHH and im suppose to be saving up for my vette that im buying next summer this stuff is to addictive, JEEP stinks hahah just empty every pocket yes yes

[XEON]

We just installed that damn lift.... well 6" will be BITCHING! :D Well good luck better start working more... ahaha

[dmxjg35]

i got a better idea, trim your fenders run 33"s lockers front and rear and be done with it. spend your money on paying back the jeep and fixing the blue hunk of junk to sell it.

[wrangler]

i thought this thred died when i did not see it on todays post yesterday...but it keeps going and goign and going and......

[dmxjg35]

its like the energizer bunnie lmao only rechargeable :D

[matt6669]

i don't want to trim fenders no need to LOL
i dunno im just feeling that my truck is not big enough, ill have to wait till after this saturday and see how i feel.
also i want to find somebody that has a 6 inch long arm jeep and ride in it
ALSO i want to find someone who has aussie's front and rear and ride in it and i want to find some people who have the arb air lockers and find out how they like em
to much to do, to little time, and all this thinking is going to end up draining my vette fund and that isn't making me happy hahahaha

im going for 20 pages man no thread will be able to beat that!!!

[matt6669]

whelp looks like this thread has pretty much died figured i would give my last update
it looks as if im totally hooked after my first ride and i've learned a lot about the potential and how my truck fairs in the trail.
it seems for the time being im going to regear the front and rear and throw in an aussie locker up front. Going to trim JUST the front of my fenders so my tires don't rub and that'll be it for now. As soon as i get my vette tho, im going 6 inch lift with 35's so when i regear im going to regear for 35's so i should be pretty peppy off the line HAHAHAHA
Matt

[rockdawg]

Hey Matt, It was great to finally meet you. It looked as though you were surprised at how well your rig did on the rocks. You can drive so give yourself the credit for how easily you made it over the tougher sections. I know you want the bigger tires and lift but remember its 90% driver - 20% rig. Watching tom, scott, donny and your brother dave pilot those XJ's around shows what a good driver can do on 31" tires. I agree on the gears and lockers though, that was one of the first things i did to my jeep and probably the best things I did. When you do go for the bigger tires though, anything you can do to keep the center of gravity low(like trimming the fenders) will help keep your rig stable in off-camber situations. Those cherokee's get awfull tipsy when you lift them too high.

[matt6669]

hey al!
Thanks and it was great meeting you to, definitely an awesome guy it was fun watching you get stuck in the mud i got a good laugh out of it i must say, we got some good pictures of you to!! lol and thanks for the compliments on the driving skills, its tough getting use to trying to drive slow, my foot is use to driving fast in my wrx so its a change of speed but i had a blast.
can't wait for next month ps you have a pm

Matt