Illegal Wheelin

[capengoggles]

From what I've read on another post, I got the impression that wheeling illegally would be tolerated by this club. If this is not the case then I apologize, but if it is, well…then I guess this is where we part ways.

I don't want to start a flame war or preach to anyone here about illegal wheeling and the ramifications it has to our sport, because everyone here is of legal age and can make there own decisions. However, everyone should realize that OHV enthusiats are not the only groups that surf the internet and browse the boards. These other groups will use anything they can get there hands on to portray an negitive image of wheelers to further there agenda.

Again....it is not my intention to piss people off, I would just like to know where this club stands.

[NYWheeler]

I have to agree on this one. We need to stay focused on legal wheeling spots. Talking about illegal trails will only hurt the sport that we love.

[Lagooz00xj]

not everyone here is of legal age :o... for a few months at least. But i have to agree with you on this one, wheeling illegally is a bad idea, and doesnt just endanger the person doing it, but everyone in the wheeling community. FYI, this club does not condone illegal wheeling, yes it has been discussed by some forum members, but the club as a whole does not support illegal wheeling. That is why under the heading for the Places to WHeel section of the forum it says post legal places to wheel. :D

[XEON]

We do not promote wheeling at these spots. There are no Tri-State 4x4 Trips to Illegal wheeling areas. We will not organize a trip at a wheeling area that is illegal. We do allow people to talk about it. We don’t promote illegal wheeling at all. Yes we have been talking about going to Split Rock but this is not a Tri-State 4x4 wheeling trip. It was a member wanting to know who wanted to go with him. I would love to go but, since its illegal and I have had problems with driving my ATV on properties I will never do it again. I was trying to make that trip more of a meet and greet but I guess I said something wrong. But, we DO NOT promote illegal wheeling spots unless we are trying to make it legal and we are planning on cleaning it and what not...

Thanks for the concern. I am going to talk to Badzook about this and make a rule for it.

[Kingofthepines]

Take a look at how we addressed the same problem on my board. http://www.the-jersey-devil.com/bbs/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=16416&page=0&view=collaps ed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

[DaMoose]

i gotta request my site info for the jersey devil site again ... aahh nostalgia. anyways, I think that this would be a good idea for us as well. Just so we know who is who. Although, after going to a ride may finally bring me up to speed on this.

[sentinal02]

Take a look at how we addressed the same problem on my board. http://www.the-jersey-devil.com/bbs/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=16416&page=0&view=collaps ed&sb=5&o=14&fpart=1

I'm game. already done. just out of curiousity though how effective has this been for you? I realize it's only been in effect for about 4 months.

[Kingofthepines]

No one would go on line and post their picture and then brag about a crime they had committed. It wouldn't be too hard for the authoritys to track them down. Same theory applies here. Unless someone were to come forward and admit they were going to tresspass on private property but didn't because they knew they might be identified, there is no way to know how effective it is. We simply don't want anyone using our website to post photos of themselves breaking the law. Wheelers are far from the only people who view these sites.

[rsegriggy]

No one would go on line and post their picture and then brag about a crime they had committed. It wouldn't be too hard for the authoritys to track them down. Same theory applies here. Unless someone were to come forward and admit they were going to tresspass on private property but didn't because they knew they might be identified, there is no way to know how effective it is. We simply don't want anyone using our website to post photos of themselves breaking the law. Wheelers are far from the only people who view these sites.

What about old pictures? I've seen a ton of pictures from places that people used to go to. Is there a statute of limitations for how old a picture must be to post it? I realize it's a can of worms........

[ToxicTurtle]

I guess its time enuf for me to chime in... :wink: This is only aimed at those who may be new to the sport, or the forum, not those organizing this board and "group" so far as they have already heard my stance and are working to make that happen. I'm not blasting anyone either, just putting forth the reasons why its so important that we DO NOT wheel anywhere we even have a doubt about...

This is what happens... An area is closed... People wheel there anyway... Local people who know that its closed (or the landowners who know) see "wheelers" going in and out of this closed area. They don't know or care whether you are in a club or not. As someone driving a 4WD vehicle, you are a member of the 4WD community, whether you like it or not.
What that means is that by wheeling illegally you affect every single one of us.
Lets say that as the Land Use Chair for our Region, I'm dealing with a small town in northern Jersey. I'm trying to get a meeting with the town and show them our economic assessment and let them see how us using certain old town roads will bring in regular revenue to their town. BUT... there is an old sand pit and logging cut that a lot of people go to that is closed, but they either don't know it or care. As things progress, people start bringing up the fact that we can't be trusted because WE all go past No Trespassing signs at the Blank Sand pit and dump all sorts of garbage and make noise and.... Why would a town want such non-careing, irresponsible, can't be trusted people coming into town and tearing up their old roads and trespassing onto private lands and tearing up fields, driving over stonewalls and crushing trees and plants, etc... Nope, NOT IN OUR TOWN.... Then, as we try to work in NY state, (or fill in the state of your choice) the news travels (as all bad news does) and sure as $n!T, someone knows someone who had a bad time with "jeepers" breaking down gates and tearing up their land... etc, etc...

So... if you know that where you are traveling is "closed/illegal/no ones ever given us any trouble for wheeling there" and your still going there... Thanx for undoing the hundreds of hours many people have been doing to keep our trails/roads open not only for us responsible ones but for you too... Thanx alot... :mad:

If you are wheeling somewhere that you don't know if its legal, stop going and don't go back until you get definate news that its legal.
If you are unsure... ask... Join a club! As you'll see in another post here about "Land All Over New England" its really worth the few bucks to join a club. And by joining a Region D EC4WDA club, you have an open invite to attend all of our clubs runs... making it possible to be out nearly every weekend.

Check out www.EC4WDA.org then go to Region D/Northeast page for a list of clubs, schedules, etc.

Thanx!
Any questions... Please don't hesitate to ask.

Talk soon,

[NYWheeler]

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Thank you for someone in your position putting their opinion and skills into this very important topic. We need more people like you around here.

[badzook]

Once again,

Thank you, David for Helping out with that. As we have discussed in the past, this group does NOT promote illegal wheeling and will NOT tolerate people who try to promote it on this forum.

We are currently in the process of identifying these troublemakers and banning them from using this forum..

badzook

[ecscramble]

[quote="badzook"]Once again,

We are currently in the process of identifying these troublemakers and banning them from using this forum..

badzook[

That is awsome!! They should not be on this board. They are only hurting tri-state's image and that is not something we need at such an early stage and it will help prevent future problems.

[ToxicTurtle]

My post count may not be all that high... but I'm always around... :lol: At least from about 5PM to 8PM each nite, hittin the boards of various clubs/groups, writtin letters, contacting businesses, legislators, checking for current status on certain bills, acts and laws, writing articles for any of several different publications, etc..... I try to cram a whole lot into those 3-4 hours before my girl gets home... :wink:

Talk soon, and keep up the good work! :wtg:

[xjchris]

Once again,

Thank you, David for Helping out with that. As we have discussed in the past, this group does NOT promote illegal wheeling and will NOT tolerate people who try to promote it on this forum.

We are currently in the process of identifying these troublemakers and banning them from using this forum..

badzook

Zook Spobi I will have to call you on this one toxic turtle is right about not promoting iligal wheeling. I agree with all of his posts on the subject But I remember a post from a couple months ago when you were going exploring on private land with no permission. And you started a thread about it . That is the same thing as what you want to kick people off the forum for. I guess you are exempt from that rule next time they close a trail in my neighbor hood I will be sure to thank You! I have never been on any land that was illegal. I help out any way that I can to keep people like you from killing our sport. Keep it up Toxicturtle there are people like me who appreciate what you do!

[sentinal02]

Once again,

Thank you, David for Helping out with that. As we have discussed in the past, this group does NOT promote illegal wheeling and will NOT tolerate people who try to promote it on this forum.

We are currently in the process of identifying these troublemakers and banning them from using this forum..

badzook

Zook Spobi I will have to call you on this one toxic turtle is right about not promoting iligal wheeling. I agree with all of his posts on the subject But I remember a post from a couple months ago when you were going exploring on private land with no permission. And you started a thread about it . That is the same thing as what you want to kick people off the forum for. I guess you are exempt from that rule next time they close a trail in my neighbor hood I will be sure to thank You! I have never been on any land that was illegal. I help out any way that I can to keep people like you from killing our sport. Keep it up Toxicturtle there are people like me who appreciate what you do!

take another good look at that thread XJ, it was only at the end of that run where Bad and I found that the land was posted property. the trail head we started at was still legal. we did not see any posted signs along the trail stating we could not be on it, no gate or chains were crossed and the trail began as a public roadway. once we found it was posted we immediately turned around and exited the trail. you'll also notice that we have not been back on that property since knowing now that it posted at the other end. so before attacking Bad you better have your facts straight man.

[badzook]

badzook
But I remember a post from a couple months ago when you were going exploring on private land with no permission. And you started a thread about it . That is the same thing as what you want to kick people off the forum for. I guess you are exempt from that rule next time they close a trail in my neighbor hood I will be sure to thank You! I have never been on any land that was illegal. I help out any way that I can to keep people like you from killing our sport. Keep it up Toxicturtle there are people like me who appreciate what you do!


sentinal02
take another good look at that thread XJ, it was only at the end of that run where Bad and I found that the land was posted property. the trail head we started at was still legal. we did not see any posted signs along the trail stating we could not be on it, no gate or chains were crossed and the trail began as a public roadway. once we found it was posted we immediately turned around and exited the trail. you'll also notice that we have not been back on that property since knowing now that it posted at the other end. so before attacking Bad you better have your facts straight man.



sentinal

It's funny how some people only read a little of your post and then twist the whole story around to suit their opinions.

You're right... That was a seasonal road that is open to the public.
It was gated only at the end as it crossed over a town line. That is what that Survey Monument Marker we saw was for .It marked the town line..
Thanks for your input..

badzook