Pictures or Video

[XEON]

If you guys have pictures or photos from the wheeling trip. Please zip them up and email them to me so I can post them on the gallery in the outing section. My email is jcxeon@gmail.com

Thanks! 8)

[mybigredjeep]

I know its only 1030 but where the fuck are all the pics lol

badzook...................how bad is ur truck broken or is it not that bad

WHO WILL TOP THAT NEXT TIME?

[derek99WJ]

coulnd't make it (again)

What Happened?
:?:

[dmxjg35]

how bad was he stuck? i was pretty stuck my self, took 2 wranglers to pull me out, right by the big water hole i went around it and went to move off the side of the trail to let the other guys come through the hole and then bam right through the ice up to the top of my wheels, had no clue there was water/ice there :lol:

[badzook]

I know its only 1030 but where the fuck are all the pics lol

badzook...................how bad is ur truck broken or is it not that bad

WHO WILL TOP THAT NEXT TIME?

Do I at least get an Award???

Let me start with I think I have earned the " Tri- States Best Stuck Award " for the monthly ride of February 05"

Thank You All soooooo Much


First let me say "Thank you all sooooo much for helping in the recovery of my zook " It really wasn't an easy recovery. I was amazed how many people stuck around and helped out and actually pitched in. Someone ( I cant't remember your name) called the park headquarters to advise them of our situation. As a result of that there were no fines imposed for being a little late. Thank You!!



How'd it happen?

I also had no idea where the ice was, Someone warned me a few minutes earlier that it was pretty deep over there....
Jon & I were just sitting idle discussing what trail to head out to next when WHAMMO !!! The front of the zook fell through the ice into about 2 feet of water. My mistake was in trying to winch towards solid ice... We were estimating there was about 45,000 Lbs if line pull with the three winches pulling at once...Jamming the wheels into the chassis.


The Damage

The end result is bad enough. I knew something was wrong when it wouldn't steer straight was bottoming out in the front and the front tires are rubbing the inside back of the fenders. as I drove it back. I was hopeing for a broken spring or maybe the axle slid back on the leaf springs..

After going to the car wash and spending an hour washing out the mud and ice we were able to better inspect the damage.

The frame is bent downwards in four places before and after the arches.

But, it starts and runs great and the 4wd still works fine. No water in the oil. I don't know about the Trans and T/C yet. I did have longer vent lines mounted on them so long as they didn't get ripped off from the ice jams I might be okay...


Looks like a new spring / summer project for me :lol:



Other Problems

Right now, my wife's not too happy with me.. as that damned Zook is her favorite toy. She & I wheel it all of the time almost every weekend. She gets a kick out of driving it with the top and doors off and the windshield down. She says " "that's what happens when she lets me take that Zook out to play with the boys.. You get carried away with it and there's no one around to reel me back in" ..


For now, she refuses to let me use that Cherokee that I just finished for anything other than a DD.. ( *%$#@#$$% )

Damn!!!!! I was just sitting there. I Didn't F***ing do anything stupid.

Did I ??????? :mad: :mad: :mad: :( :( :(


What do you all think????

badzook

[sentinal02]

I think you need to bring her along next time. :wink: that sucks about the frame. doesn't get much worse than that. maybe call up the guy selling this and see if he's still got it:

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=305

i don't know if the frames are compatible but if they are, 700 gets you a new frame and it's time to do a frame up restore. I'm sure with your skills it wouldn't be that hard :D

[badzook]

I think you need to bring her along next time. :wink: that sucks about the frame. doesn't get much worse than that. maybe call up the guy selling this and see if he's still got it:

http://www.tri-state4x4.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=305

i don't know if the frames are compatible but if they are, 700 gets you a new frame and it's time to do a frame up restore. I'm sure with your skills it wouldn't be that hard :D


Too funny... I was just looking at that ad before I opened your post..LOL :P

badzook

[rockdawg]

OMG! I can’t believe the damage. You definitely get an award. Unfortunately your reward is the same as mine - you get home, your wife see's the damage and issues the award. I feel terrible and hope you can repair It inexpensively. If you need any help at all PM me and I will lend a hand. When we had 47000 pounds of winch hooked up (2-9500 winches doubled and one 9500 single) I had a feeling something on the zuk was gonna give

[XEON]

Oh man Bad... that sucks but I am glad everyone got out alright and damage was not toooo bad. I mean if your engine was shot and nothing works thats a really big problem. But good thing all this is fixable! Good luck and hope everythign goes well. Yes if you need a hand let us know!

Pictures that were sent to me were uploaded go check them out in the gallery!

[badzook]

Yeah,

All is cool. It was a simple and not a serious incident. Really glad nobody was hurt . Winching can be dangerous and we really had that one bound up tight. I realize now I should have taken the time to break the ice up in front of the Zook more before trying to pull on it so hard...


It was really nice of that other fellow that was helping to guide and coordinate the recovery..He was about my age. Who was that? Anybody know?...


I might take you guys up on the help thing. I'm thinking when I get a rolling chassis together and I am ready to lift my body for a transfer to that chassis, I might need a few people to help with that one. Should be warm enough for that one, maybe a barbacue and a few beers.. LOL....

badzook

[MYGOODNESS]

Yeah,

All is cool. It was a simple and not a serious incident. Really glad nobody was hurt . Winching can be dangerous and we really had that one bound up tight. I realize now I should have taken the time to break the ice up in front of the Zook more before trying to pull on it so hard...


It was really nice of that other fellow that was helping to guide and coordinate the recovery..He was about my age. Who was that? Anybody know?...


I might take you guys up on the help thing. I'm thinking when I get a rolling chassis together and I am ready to lift my body for a transfer to that chassis, I might need a few people to help with that one. Should be warm enough for that one, maybe a barbacue and a few beers.. LOL....

badzook

Sorry to hear about the frame damage.... I'm also up for lending a hand.

Gene

[XEON]

Heres a good photo of Badzooks stuck :)
http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/Ride_2-26-05/Tri_Feb_05_Ride/normal_92.JPG

8)

[mybigredjeep]

Hey zook never really got a chance to meet each other yesterday i was the guy in the red zj my name is jeremy...............when you get a rolling chassis let me know im def. down to help you do the swap. I dont know if your interested i know a couple of guys that drive tow trucks that might be able to give us a hand with the cab and what not...........let me know..............

[rockdawg]

It was really nice of that other fellow that was helping to guide and coordinate the recovery..He was about my age. Who was that? Anybody know?...
You might be talkin about me. I think I'm the only other one there thats your age. I was helping your co-driver with hooking up the winch cables and tree straps. and running winch cable for the green toyota. There were a lot of people helping in various ways though. Especially the guy in the TJ from maryland with the warn winch. Super nice guy but I cant remember his name.

[sentinal02]

I'm game for the "wrench-a-que" as well. :lol: I know the jeep tubs come off easy enough with about 5 or 6 guys so i don't think the zuk's will be much worse.

[njedgexj]

sorry to hear about the damage...yeah 3 winches pullin, something had to go eventually.luckily its nothing too serious and youll be able to fix her up.....i also thank you for helpin me re-seat my tire..next time i wont air-down as much..ha.....my buddy donnie was helpin with your recovery alot also...he was the one coordinating the tow strap/winch effort from behind for you...he had the purple xj...

[badzook]

It was really nice of that other fellow that was helping to guide and coordinate the recovery..He was about my age. Who was that? Anybody know?...
You might be talkin about me. I think I'm the only other one there thats your age. I was helping your co-driver with hooking up the winch cables and tree straps. and running winch cable for the green toyota. There were a lot of people helping in various ways though. Especially the guy in the TJ from maryland with the warn winch. Super nice guy but I cant remember his name.

rockdawg,

There were alot of poeple helping out.

I just wanted to personally say Thank You for returning my strap ( I think that was you).

Very nice Jeep you have there. Is it locked up??


Thanks Jeremy,

I hope oficially to meet you on the next ride. And thanks for the help offer.

When I get a chassis ready to go I'll let you all know. I'm going to need a little help just transferring the body from A to B....


There was also another fellow who seemed to know an awful lot about winching. I just wanted to thank him for trying to keep us in line with all of the safety rules, like keeping away from tensioned lines and dropping old jackets on top of the winching lines.

badzook

[XEON]

YOu know what... when our group was leaving to go to the entrance. A few of us were like we have 30 minutes lets go to the play area and mess around... kinda regret going back to the parking lot. I am sure you guys could of used some more hands. :)

[badzook]

Naw,

don't need to regret, there were quite a few hands already there..

The only regrets that I have are not listening to the fellow who told us the waterholes were deep over there, five minutes before falling in...LOL

Are you kidding?? That was the best stuck I've ever had. And from what I was told out there there were lots of better stucks in PAP then that.. LOL

I can't wait to show these pics at the office in the AM.....


badzook

[NYWheeler]

Yeah let us know when your ready. We can make it a BBQ/wrenching day.
So how cold was that water? :lol:

[sentinal02]

Hey Bad, get some pics of the damage and send them in to this contest:

http://www.ok4wd.com/worstdamage.asp

$25 gift cert if you win. maybe you can get some return out of this :lol:

[badzook]

Yeah let us know when your ready. We can make it a BBQ/wrenching day.
So how cold was that water? :lol:

It was cold enough ....Kinda murky too.... I'll bet it's nasty enough in the summer....

badzook

[dmxjg35]

So.... Wheres the videos already :( You guys need to work faster, i wanna see some of the trails the other groups went on.

[XEON]

So.... Wheres the videos already :( You guys need to work faster, i wanna see some of the trails the other groups went on.

Sorry... I want to finish editing the video with the footage from the other groups. I wont get that footage until the weekend when bigred comes back from college. Dont worry it should be done next week sometime... :)

[dmxjg35]

Oh no the Suspense is killing me LOL im dying to see my jeep as well as the other in our group in action. How much footage did you use from our group? I remember hearing your friend say i need another tape :lol:

[XEON]

Oh no the Suspense is killing me LOL im dying to see my jeep as well as the other in our group in action. How much footage did you use from our group? I remember hearing your friend say i need another tape :lol:

We have about 90 minutes of footage. But my dumby freind had the tape rolling like when he was walking and when the camera was in the bag. LOL I was looking at the tape bashing my head on my desk. :lol:

I want to have footage of the other groups in the video too thats why I am waiting.

[dmxjg35]

doh lol i do that all the time with my camera too, Its cool i was just wondering when the videos were going to be posted. Cant wait to see them, it will be cool to add all the groups together into one video.

[MYGOODNESS]

So.... Wheres the videos already :( You guys need to work faster, i wanna see some of the trails the other groups went on.

Sorry... I want to finish editing the video with the footage from the other groups. I wont get that footage until the weekend when bigred comes back from college. Dont worry it should be done next week sometime... :)


Next week.... Awww come on Justin your killing us.


:x

[XEON]

So.... Wheres the videos already :( You guys need to work faster, i wanna see some of the trails the other groups went on.

Sorry... I want to finish editing the video with the footage from the other groups. I wont get that footage until the weekend when bigred comes back from college. Dont worry it should be done next week sometime... :)


Next week.... Awww come on Justin your killing us.


:x

Tomarrow I am goign to cut my video footage. Maybe I will have alittle preview :D Sorry guys... I am trying

[MYGOODNESS]

Next week.... Awww come on Justin your killing us.


:x[/quote]

Tomarrow I am goign to cut my video footage. Maybe I will have alittle preview :D Sorry guys... I am trying[/quote]

:D Can't wait to see the video. Thanks Justin

[Cris_XJ]

Badzook ,sorry to hear about the damage I know I'll be crying like a baby if that happen to me , anyway when you are ready to do the frame work just post it and my self and few more guys will show up ..
Im Chris ...I got the TC drop from you .

[badzook]

Badzook ,sorry to hear about the damage I know I'll be crying like a baby if that happen to me , anyway when you are ready to do the frame work just post it and my self and few more guys will show up ..
Im Chris ...I got the TC drop from you .

Chris,

Thanks for all of your support you guys are great..

I have 5 years of wheeling & wrenching time invested into that rig. It's rare because it's the last few to be imported in 1995 and it's Fuel Injected.

At first, I was really angry at myself :mad: for being so careless with those winches. If I had just spent more time busting up that ice before winching......

I really wanted to cry too...:cry: .. but, then, I thought I would turn that energy around into something good rather than bad.

I spent the entire next day planning a ground - up rebuild and I have located some pretty cool stuff..:P So far I have scored a solid rolling Chassis for close to nothing. I have a lead on a much larger engine and
I'm going to regear and lock up with 5.12's And I am looking into a New 6" SPOA 8)


It's going to take a while as this is a fairly big undertaking ...

Anybody have a Mig Welder and a free afternoon this spring? I have 220 Service....

Right now, I am so Psyched ........... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

So...See ..... There is good coming out of all of this...... Life is Short Don't Waste it

[XEON]

I know Scotts got a MIG with gas or Flux he has both. Its a Pro Mig 135 I think. I am sure Scott and I can drive up there and help ya out :D

[sentinal02]

I know Scotts got a MIG with gas or Flux he has both. Its a Pro Mig 135 I think. I am sure Scott and I can drive up there and help ya out :D

i've got a craftsman 85 amp. only 110 but it'll do 3/16" gonna be using it to fix my frame in a few weeks. if ever the snow melts enough to get the jeep up to the basement door so i can get the welder to it :mad: if you're looking at welding something critical though a 220 would definitely be better just so you know you've got the penetration. could always rent one. at least the aussie is here (came in today) so the next halfway warm day we get I'll be installing that. then maybe i can make it to the door :lol:

[sentinal02]

Hey Rod, you sure you want to gear that thing so deep if you're sizing up the engine? 5.12's with 35's is gonna be turning 3000 rpms at 60 mph in the top gear (1 to 1). not sure how big an engine you were thinking but assuming it's a 6 cyl (not sure if you can fit an 8 in there) that's the top end of the power band on most of the engines. i know it's mainly a toy and gas milage isn't a major concern but it's always nice to have at least a little bit of comfort when cruising down the highway to the next trail. for the price of regearing you might want to consider something like the tera low kit that's out there for the jeep. I believe i've seen a 6:1 low range offered for the zuk. go wheeling in overdrive all the time :lol: and IIRC the zuk isn't 1 to 1 in high range? so dropping in some t-case gears would be the same as doing the diffs only you only do it once instead of front and rear. obviously there's pros and cons to this, and i know you mentioned that your stock axles were basically maxed out strength wise so maybe you were planning on a swap anyway. just something else to throw into the equation. lol. i love planning big projects!

[badzook]

I know Scotts got a MIG with gas or Flux he has both. Its a Pro Mig 135 I think. I am sure Scott and I can drive up there and help ya out :D

Great... What I'll do is set - up everything I need welded and we can do it all in one shot ... That would be great. I 'll pick up the tab on any supplies needed like argon or wire etc..

I'll let you know when I'm ready for that..


Thanks

badzook

[badzook]

Hey Rod, you sure you want to gear that thing so deep if you're sizing up the engine? 5.12's with 35's is gonna be turning 3000 rpms at 60 mph in the top gear (1 to 1).

so dropping in some t-case gears would be the same as doing the diffs only you only do it once instead of front and rear. obviously there's pros and cons to this, and i know you mentioned that your stock axles were basically maxed out strength wise so maybe you were planning on a swap anyway. just something else to throw into the equation. lol. i love planning big projects!

Well,

This is where I'm at right now....

The engine I'm looking at is a Tracker 1.8 L 8V instead that 1.3L . It's not a huge difference but still better. 63 HP to 98 HP . That's about 30% better.. I'm looking to get a donor rig with Power Steering. and A/C to make an On Board Air Compressor and add P/S along with the harnesses and processor it's not a mass airflow set up but rather just a Map & o2. So I can run a larger cam and Header ( Which I have already ) ( I am actually negotiating a deal right now ) ...

With the gearing, I was thinking of going with 4.63 R&P but, the Tracker comes with a 5.12 Stock Gears that are a bolt in application and I can go with Detroit EZ Lockers since they are a cheap and easy to install.

My Current T/C is a GRS I at 4.16.1 It has a reduction or 12.1 % Hi and 83.6% Low over stock gearing. This set-up is calculated to run the 32" tires I have now on the street. The wheel and tire combo is really very light and not as heavy as they look... It's just that the 1.3 won't push them on the uphills.. Heck that 1.3 can't push a Bone Stock Sammy Uphills..... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm thinking the 5.12's are a little low but on the highway the 32's will compensate for them.... Right now I can easily do 70 mph downhill but I can't get the power I need to go up-hill.. So if it drops to 60 downhill it's no big deal. The extra power from the 1.8L should get me going up-hills..

All of this should be okay on the stock axles so long as I don't Hammer on it too much... If I'm wrong I'll have to go with Toyota axles or something.

I really want to stay with Suzuki running gear for now as we do have emissions issues coming up real soon.. And If I stay close to stock I should be able to get past all of that.

I don't want to go to a reconstructed title right now.. It's a real PITA to get..

Anyhow what do you think?? Any ideas? :?: :idea:

badzook.

[XEON]

All this talk should be made a new thread under the vehical section... for futre refrence instead of being in a picture video thread. I would jsut copt and paste into a new thread.

Anyway on to topic about the video...

Captured both tapes today in class. I will get some cut up tomarrow and Friday. Hopefully I will have it down to 15 mins or less so I can compress it and get a preview of the finisheness.

Badzooker...

Sounds bad to the a$$!!!! Like I said I would love to come and help or just to watch :) I learn from watchign and doing :D

Get that 1.8 more the better :) Maybe you can get a Jeep 2.5? They go cheap... I am looking for a newer 2.5 from like a TJ or something. That would be cool if I could score one :) But that means lots of wiring work...

I would just get that thing going good get it inspected or what ever then wrench some more? Maybe that will save some time I dont know. For gears you got me lost... I know I will need some 4.56 or even 4.88 to fit some larger tires and get my 5th gear back to normal :)

GOod luck!

[sentinal02]

hmmm, so you're turning what now? 3.73's with a 1.58 to 1 high range? what's your overdrive ratio?

so let's see, right now you're turning about 3400 rpms at 55 mph in 4th gear? sound about right? stock t-case gearing with 3.73's and 27" tires turns about 3575 so you're a little under geared at the moment.

with 5.12's you're looking at 4670 rpms at the same speed and gear. that's a huge jump. i know most 4 cylinders like the higher rpms but what's the rev limiter set to on the 1.8? seems to me like that's half a second away from throwing a rod. even the 4.63's would be turning ~4200. guess we need to know where the power band for the 1.8 is. if it were me, i would try just the engine swap for the moment and see if the extra half a liter helps out with the hills. the cam and the header might be all you really need, maybe some free flowing exhaust. then maybe save the gear/axle swap for when you decide to run the bigger tires. i just think that those gears are really going to limit your top speed. instead of helping the engine push through the hill, they're gonna drag it down and while you'll have plenty of torque, it's still gonna be at 50 mph because you're gonna starting hitting the rev limiters. just my $.02 one other thing you might look into is adding an inertia ring to the flywheel while you're swapping engines. from what i've read it's one of the best mods you can add to a 4 banger if you like playing on the rocks.

i had thought about the 2.5L as well, but the problem there is the weak drive train. i don't know how strong the zuk's tranny is but the Ax-5 behind the 2.5 isn't known for it's strength. you can adapt the 2.5 to several different trannies, but nothing besides the Ax-5 and the stock auto will bolt up as far as i know so you'd just be adding to the cost for minimal gains. granted, who wouldn't want an SM420 in their rig, but sometimes it's just not worth the time and money to get it. also, i don't know about mating the zuk's t-case to whatever tranny you pick and that means either using a different case and ditching the upgraded low range or another specialty adaptor to buy. then there's the length considerations, inspection/emissions and all the rest. in the end you'd probably spend upward of 1K in adaptors or upgrades to get the same strength and only end up with ~30 extra ponies and that assumes you get a newer 2.5. $100 for every 3 HP gained isn't exactly good economics. anyway, justin's right, we should move this to the proper forum and retitle it "Rod's Resurrection"

:lol:

[badzook]

xeon is right I'll start a new thread. Sorry 'bout that...

Bad's Buggy

badzook