Paragon January 29th Wheeling Trip Discussion

[XEON]

This is where we are goign to discuss our first offically planned wheeling trip.

[bondo303]

I was reading your other post and you said that we need 3 or more to get in. Does that mean 3 or more to get to the staging area? If so, I think maybe we should meet in the parking lot to avoid any problems with people being left behind. Open to suggestions.

[XEON]

Yea that came to my attention earlier today...

I think thats a great idea. I will make sure I have a sign so you know where to meet. I will change this again... :)

We will be meeting in the parking lot directly across from the entrance in the back near the small pond. I will make sure I have a sign and I and a Grand Cherokee and a Cherokee will definially be there. Can miss us but if you need to call me.

[XEON]

I updated the trip details again. Please make sure you read over the details again. If there is anything else that should be changed now is the time. Thanks for pointing that out. This is our first trip so we are bound to ahve some issues :)

[Chris 88 YJ]

They'll let you in the park alone, but you need to be in a group of 3 on the trail, and dont leave eachothers sight. Kyle is a hardass about that.

I really wish I could go to Paragon

[XEON]

They'll let you in the park alone, but you need to be in a group of 3 on the trail, and dont leave eachothers sight. Kyle is a hardass about that.

I really wish I could go to Paragon

We changed the meeting place :) So we are all going in as a group.

[derek99WJ]

xeon, is everyone doing the same level trail ride, or are there gonna be split groups?

[XEON]

xeon, is everyone doing the same level trail ride, or are there gonna be split groups?

Probally split up. But its going to be snowy so the trails are going to be slick.

[magoo117]

I guess there is going to be some snow up there...

[magoo117]

I just read that you want to meet at 10:00am,that's kinda late,the park opens at 8:00am and closes at 4:00pm.We should try and meet at 9:00am at the latest.

[XEON]

I just read that you want to meet at 10:00am,that's kinda late,the park opens at 8:00am and closes at 4:00pm.We should try and meet at 9:00am at the latest.

Its a two hour drive for more people...

I dont know if I want to change the time now... Its less then a week away. I dont think everyone would know the change. Plus I have set plans already... and I dont want to wake up at 6 am :)

The next ride will probally meet earlier. This first ride is really going to be more of a meet and greet and then some wheeling. :D

But if you want to get some more wheeling in. You can get there early with a few otehrs and wheel then meet back at 10am. :D

[dmxjg35]

I was really really hoping to make it wheeling on the first trip but i dont think im going to be able to make it, i hate nj sooo bad, the failed my jeep for inspection b/c it was a 1/2 inch too high, no rejected sticker no nothing, all for a half an inch, im going to try and put my stock tires back on and take off the 31's maybe that will lower it a half inch, unless anyone knows someone that will pass me without checking the damn height grrrrrr

[bondo303]

That really sucks. That is why I kept my stock wheels/tires just in case. I don't know anywhere in Jersey but maybe you can try a small gas station to do it. Sometimes these smaller placers with less traffic will over look little things like that. Good luck.

[dmxjg35]

i kept mine too, which i guess is what ill do, since my front tires are bald and i have new ones on order. I would try a gas station but i dont want to spend like 70 bucks then find out they are going to fail me for the lift or emissions or something and waste the 70 bucks

[XEON]

I was really really hoping to make it wheeling on the first trip but i dont think im going to be able to make it, i hate nj sooo bad, the failed my jeep for inspection b/c it was a 1/2 inch too high, no rejected sticker no nothing, all for a half an inch, im going to try and put my stock tires back on and take off the 31's maybe that will lower it a half inch, unless anyone knows someone that will pass me without checking the damn height grrrrrr

Yea you need a special roll test. You can get that done... its not a big deal. You have to schedual a time to get that done. Call the inspection station. Thats one of the reasons I did not want to get a larger lift because I have to deal with cops being on my ass about it. My lift looks almost like no lift with the right seized tires :D

[XEON]

i kept mine too, which i guess is what ill do, since my front tires are bald and i have new ones on order. I would try a gas station but i dont want to spend like 70 bucks then find out they are going to fail me for the lift or emissions or something and waste the 70 bucks

Just get the roll test done. Then you can give the insepction place the certificate adn you will never have to worry about it again :D

[dmxjg35]

yea you have to get a tilt test done, but it says you have to get it done before you inspection sticker expires which of course mine did :roll: i dont have that big of a lift, i have a 3in lift with 1.5in spacers and shackles i guess worst case i could take out the spacers and the shackles and pass inspection and put them back in, but no way i could do that before the 29th since i have no garage and its brrrr brrrr cold

[XEON]

yea you have to get a tilt test done, but it says you have to get it done before you inspection sticker expires which of course mine did :roll: i dont have that big of a lift, i have a 3in lift with 1.5in spacers and shackles i guess worst case i could take out the spacers and the shackles and pass inspection and put them back in, but no way i could do that before the 29th since i have no garage and its brrrr brrrr cold

Just take the spacers out...
If you need help let us know we can help out. I know njedgexj lives in New Milford and he would love to help you out. I am 45 minutes away from him and if you need me or somethign let me know! I want everyone to be at Paragon! Let us know!

[NJ Rubi]

Im screwed, the CV shaft wont be in til the beginning of next week. That was the one thing I was waiting on too. So unless Im gonna wheel in FWD, im out for this weekend. Got the 35s mounted and balenced this sat though before the heavens opened up with all that crazy white stuff. They look great!

[XEON]

Im screwed, the CV shaft wont be in til the beginning of next week. That was the one thing I was waiting on too. So unless Im gonna wheel in FWD, im out for this weekend. Got the 35s mounted and balenced this sat though before the heavens opened up with all that crazy white stuff. They look great!

Yea thats why I cant bring the Wrangler... waiting on CV shaft haha

[dmxjg35]

well i put the stock tired back on, which dropped it about an inch i think, from the 31's to 225/75's i think thats a 2 in diff so about an inch lower it should be sitting. Im about to go to inspection in about an hr so well see how that goes. Thanks for the offers for help.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

the NJ DMV tilt test now called The Stability Test because thesy use electronic pads to shake the truck. they will record such measure ments as front and rear bumper hight and hight to the bottom of drivers door and headlights.

so if you do not want trouble with the cops go with your vehicle the way you drive it every day. I have sent guys w/ wranglers and 35 inch SSR's and they have passed. My cherokee with 37's passed. You will only get in more trouble for altering your vehicle after the test. When you sign that form for the test you agree to return to the DMV for an inspection if any of the measurement on your certificate change. NJ test is not that bad any more. I f you guys fail I can help give you tips on how to pass.

[dmxjg35]

this isnt done at dmv thought. if you go there with your truck on 4.5" of lift and 31"s they break out the yard stick and measure from the ground to the bottom of your door and if its more than 25" they fail you, no rejected sticker no nothing. I saw a place in morristown nj that does the tilt test or whatever, but it said on the site you have to have it done before your sticker is expired which mine did. So i put on the stock tires and i was under the 25" but i failed for breaks and a so called exhaust leak :roll: i think the flowmaster 40 series was just too loud, so after i pass im going to go get the tilt test done and not have to worry about this anymore

Ps.. Rockready i have to order my front tires, so i can come by your shop and get them groved i didnt forget.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

no problem do you want me to get you a price on front tires?

you should go to lodi dmv they do that new test and that 25 inches thing I don't know where that came from that is not in title 39. So I cant see them enforcing it.

[dmxjg35]

no problem do you want me to get you a price on front tires?

you should go to lodi dmv they do that new test and that 25 inches thing I don't know where that came from that is not in title 39. So I cant see them enforcing it.

:shock: :shock: :shock: dmv in wayne did it twice when i went there, they say the law states it must be less than 25 inches they wouldnt run any other tests. grrrr that pisses me off. Where is the lodi one? im pretty close to lodi. And i need to get it reinspected for brakes.

Sure you can get me a price for the tires, they are kumho Venture MT 31x10.5x15's i need 2 of them. the best price i could find was tire rack and they were $94 each.

[njedgexj]

they pulled out the yardstick for me too in september when i went to get inspected...this was in randolph....i was over the 4" dmv limit...so i had to call and schedule to get inspected in morristown...yeah they didnt give me a rejected sticker either...

[OlllllllO]

hmmm....this could be a good chance for me to test the tacoma's offroad ability. it'd have to be on easy trails...i'll have to think about it. if the YJ didn't run like crap i'd bring that up, but last time i tried to make it to PAP i only got to tower city (about 30-40 miles south of paragon :lol: )

[magoo117]

I went thru and passed with my Chero.At the time it had 35's and about 8" lift.The measurements are written on the sticker.They measure the bumper height,door sill height and tire size.There is no screwing around if a cop pulls you over and you have something that doesnt match the sticker it is a non inspected vehicle in their eyes.

[magoo117]

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[Kingofthepines]

Quoted..
An examination of your vehicle indicates that it has been raised more than 4 inches beyond its manufactured height. Under the provisions of N.J.A.C. 13:20-37.3, such a vehicle must undergo a geometric stability test.
These tests are being conducted by appointment only at specialty inspection locations. A comprehensive examination of the steering and suspension will be conducted. There is no charge for this inspection. Please call the location of your choice as soon as possible, since the test must be completed prior to the expiration date of your inspection sticker.

Conditions for the motor vehicles with elevated chassis heights are:

(1) Steering gear ratios and steering wheel left stop to right stop turns must be within 1/2 turn of the original manufacturers specifications.

(2) Headlights shall be mounted no lower than 22" nor more than 54" above the ground.

(3) Taillights shall be mounted no lower than 15" nor more than 72" above the ground.

(4) Off road lights must be covered while operating on public roads.

(5) License plates must be mounted no less than 12" nor more than 48" above the ground.

(6) Brake lines and hoses must be protected from excess heat and vibration. They must be mounted in a manner to prevent chafing, undue wear, stress, or unintentional disconnection.

(7) Vehicles originally equipped with bumpers must have them securely fastened, no less then 16" from the ground to the bottom of the bumper, and shall extend the full width of the vehicle.

(8) Maximum tire diameter allowed will be 38" or 6" over stock, whichever is less.

(9) All tires must be the same size. Maximum tire pressure as stated on tire is recommended. Front tires must be at least 60% of the tread width of the rear tires.

(10) Front fenders must extend over the full width of the tire tread. Rear tires that are not covered by the fender or other body parts must be equipped with metal protectors or flexible flaps that prevent dirt, debris and water from being thrown.

(11) Exposed fuel tanks must be encased. Side mounted tanks must have a protective bar to prevent rupture.

(12) Exposed exhaust system components and moving parts must be shielded.

(13) Ballast must be securely mounted.

(14) Releasing the steering wheel in a sharp turn shall result in an increase in turning radius.

(15) Spacers to increase track width are prohibited.

(16) Maximum lift heights for GVWR 4500 lbs and under... 7" above original vehicle height.

(17) Maximum lift heights for GVWR 4501 - 7500 lbs... 9" above original vehicle height.

(18) Maximum lift heights for GVWR 7501 - 10,000 lbs... 11" above original vehicle height.

(19) No blocks are allowed on the front suspension.

(20) All credentials are to be up to date.

(21) Please report to the Supervisor’s Office at least 10 minutes prior to your appointment. Lateness will result in cancellation of the scheduled appointment. Do not wait in the inspection line. Stability tests are not given in inclement weather. Please call the station if questionable.

Please Note: Vehicles that have been previously approved prior to October 1, 1998 are exempt from lift restrictions. However, all other regulations must be complied with by February 1, 1999 except limitations on tire diameter which must be complied with by October 1, 2000.


Vehicles Certified Prior to 10/1/98


All vehicles tested and approved prior to October 1, 1998 will have until October 1, 2000 to comply with the tire diameter requirements. While all vehicles approved prior to October 1, 1998 will be exempt from the maximum lift requirements, once the vehicle is retrofitted to comply with the new tire regulations, a new stability test will be required.
Effective October 1, 2000, maximum tire diameter will be no more than six (6) inches larger than the stock tire available from the manufacturer ( for that model and model year ) or thirty-eight inch diameter, whichever is LESS.

(973) 631-6578


They do lift inspections by appointment on MONDAYS ONLY

[Luvmyzuki]

Who are the trail leaders? Have you watched the Safety videos and your cards this year? Do to the new insurance since Kyle and Steph bought the park this must be done bbefore leading a group. You should plan on getting there early and watching the 15 minute video. When I watched it last year they let anyone who wanted to watch it in.

Just remember, the groups of three must have at least one person safety qualified by the park.

[Freebird01]

Who are the trail leaders? Have you watched the Safety videos and your cards this year? Do to the new insurance since Kyle and Steph bought the park this must be done bbefore leading a group. You should plan on getting there early and watching the 15 minute video. When I watched it last year they let anyone who wanted to watch it in.

Just remember, the groups of three must have at least one person safety qualified by the park.


This brings up an excellent point. I am more then willing to go through the training, but was wondering if you guys already called the park about setting this up for people who want to do it.

Im already planning on getting there @ 9:00am.

Jason

[bondo303]

I think that there may be a discounted group rate. Does anyone know?

[Luvmyzuki]

I organized a suzuki group event the last 3 years at the park. with totals of 50+ rigs. They do give group discounts but it's not until the 50 rig mark. A lot of the time they will discount the 2nd day for smaller groups though.

The thing to look into might be a group buy on season passes at the park. That might be the best way to save money.