Looking for axle info

[sentinal02]

Hey guys, I'm looking for axle info, as the subject says. Which axle you ask? that's the great thing, i'm looking for ANY solid axle info that you might know. the reason is because i'm working on creating a personal database to broaden my knowledge of them in general and to help generate some tech on the board. i know a lot about jeeps, but ford, chevy, sami, toy, chrysler, etc is a foreign language if they're not common swaps in a jeep. and by info, i mean i want everything! track width, bolt pattern, brake size/style, carrier breaks, available stock/aftermarket gears, can be had with an LSD, spline counts, full/semi floating, c-clips, u-joint sizes, shaft diameters, common or uncommon, years and models they can be found in, removable 3rd member, strong or weak, ANYTHING! common D44's to exotic portals, whatever you know, please share. even if you only know that your rig has a Dana 50 with 9" drums and 3/8"x24 threads on the brake lines, i wanna know it so i can add to the listing. i'm sure there's a wealth of info between all of us and i want to put it to good use. then when someone has a question about swapping in a stronger axle, we'll have a good, well organized knowledge base to pull from. also, if anyone knows some good sites with axle info then please share those as well. thanks guys!

[wsb]

Some basic info and measurements for reference:

Toyota FJ60 and FJ62 Land Cruiser:
front: = ~58.75" wms - wms
rear: = ~58" wms - wms

Front spring spacing is ~29-3/4" on center.

Stock samurai:
Front = 52.5" WMS to WMS
Rear = 52.2" WMS to WMS

Samurai front frame width: = ~25.125"
Samurai front spring spacing: = ~28.3"

Waggoneer narrow D44:
front = ~58-61" wms - wms
rear = ~59" wms - wms

Waggoneer wide D44:
front = ~65" wms - wms
rear = ~61" wms - wms

Stock Toyota truck front axle:
55.5" wide, 29" spring perch centers, '79-85 Toyota trucks and 4runners
63.5" wide, (set up for coil springs) 90-97 FJ80 and FZJ80 Landcruisers
'86-95 IFS front end is about 58.5" wide
'93-98 T100 IFS front end is about 65" wide

Stock Toyota truck rear Axle:
55" wide, '79-85 trucks/4runners
58" wide, '86-95 trucks/4runners
60.75" wide, '95.5-up Tacomas/4runners
66.75" wide, '93-98 T100 trucks

Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser:
front = ~56" wms - wms
rear = ~55.25" wms - wms

[sentinal02]

nice. an excellent start. thanks wayne! keep it coming guys!

[87F-150]

Well........I'm a Ford guy....here's a site I reference from time to time...
http://www.drivetrain.com/Fordtrkratio_posidata.html

HTH :)

[sentinal02]

Well........I'm a Ford guy....here's a site I reference from time to time...
http://www.drivetrain.com/Fordtrkratio_posidata.html

HTH :)

good good, more good info! :)

[badzook]

Here's some info for you.

I've been contemplating doing an axle swap in my sammy too. So far I think I'll stick with the stockers and install Lockers. On my XJ however I'm thinking about something like a dana 44 front and rear regeared. And possibly installing air lockers with locking hubs upfront.

Here's some links I've found.

http://77cj.littlekeylime.com/web_rs44.html

http://www.pirate4x4.com/productreviews/aussie/index.html

http://www.4x4xplor.com/aussielocker.html

http://www.stu-offroad.com/hubconv/hub-1.htm

http://www.stu-offroad.com/arb/arb-1.htm

http://www.stu-offroad.com/brakeconv/bc-1.htm

http://www.stu-offroad.com/misc/axleswap-1.htm

Sorry, Don't mean to get carried away. It's just that, I too am planning a new project and have learned that ALOT of research pays off in the end.

Good Luck with your database.

badzook

[badzook]

And more, I know this stuff isn't directly related to your database but it's all good stuff to have around. I'm also starting a small library on this stuff.
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http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/PDFs/Yukon%20Gear%20Ring%20and%20Pinion%20installation% 20instructions.pdf


COT: Continuous output torque rating
MOT: Maximum output torque rating
Numbers from January edition of Fourwheeler, page 60.

Dana 35 rear axle COT: 870 MOT: 3480
Dana 44 rear axle COT: 1100 MOT: 4460
Ford 8.8 28spline COT: 1250 MOT: 4600
Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100
Dana60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500

The 8.8 is very close to the D60 in breaking strength. ???



Misc Info.
Dana 44 rear how to decipher the gear ratio tag, and the date code. Gear ratio tag has two lines:

5356949
45 11 4 09
45 is the amount of teeth on the ring.
11 is the amount of teeth on the pinion.
45 divided by 11 = 4.09 ratio gear set

badzook

[ROCKREADYXJ]

why don't you buy the Dana spicer book I have one and it gives you every thing!! from factory part numbers and every measurement possible. W/ pictures and exploded diagrams.

As far as your reason for all this info I would say it is a waste unless you are looking to build something for yourself. I have found going on other peoples info always ends up being wrong when considering measurements. You should always check things for yourself. I live by the rule that you can only trust yourself.

but good luck

[ROCKREADYXJ]

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Ford 8.8 28spline COT: 1250 MOT: 4600
Ford 8.8 31spline COT: 1360 MOT: 5100
Dana60 semifloat COT: 1500 MOT: 5500

The 8.8 is very close to the D60 in breaking strength. ???






I just don't want people thinking that the 8.8 is as strong as a dana 60. So let me explain what exactly they are comparing.The article you are reffering to they were comparing axle shaft strength. The dana 60 that they are using is the weak 30 spline version. Not the beefy 35 spline. Then there is the ring and pinion strength. the pinion on a Dana 60 is much bigger than the 8.8. Also the ring gear is much larger than the 8.8 where more strenght is obtained because you can spread the same amount of teeth over a larger surface.

Small note don't use the spline count to determin the diamiter of the shaft some 30 spline axles can measure 1.75 and more common can measure 1.50 so the diamiter is also important when comparing shaft strength and size.

I remember reading that article and it was very deciving. sometimes I think they have underlined reasons for the way they write articles.

[ToyedZuk]

Some basic info and measurements for reference:

Toyota FJ60 and FJ62 Land Cruiser:
front: = ~58.75" wms - wms
rear: = ~58" wms - wms

Front spring spacing is ~29-3/4" on center.

Stock samurai:
Front = 52.5" WMS to WMS
Rear = 52.2" WMS to WMS

Samurai front frame width: = ~25.125"
Samurai front spring spacing: = ~28.3"

Waggoneer narrow D44:
front = ~58-61" wms - wms
rear = ~59" wms - wms

Waggoneer wide D44:
front = ~65" wms - wms
rear = ~61" wms - wms

Stock Toyota truck front axle:
55.5" wide, 29" spring perch centers, '79-85 Toyota trucks and 4runners
63.5" wide, (set up for coil springs) 90-97 FJ80 and FZJ80 Landcruisers
'86-95 IFS front end is about 58.5" wide
'93-98 T100 IFS front end is about 65" wide

Stock Toyota truck rear Axle:
55" wide, '79-85 trucks/4runners
58" wide, '86-95 trucks/4runners
60.75" wide, '95.5-up Tacomas/4runners
66.75" wide, '93-98 T100 trucks

Toyota FJ40 Land Cruiser:
front = ~56" wms - wms
rear = ~55.25" wms - wms

This was a copy and paste from pirate if I am not mistaken. This was the original post that got my swap going!!!!! Very informative for sammi and toy guys!!!

[sentinal02]

the pinion on a Dana 60 is much bigger than the 8.8.

All of the D60 sources i've looked at list the pinion shaft diameter as 1.625". same as the 8.8. i'm sure the gear is larger to match the larger ring gear but a shaft will usually break at the point where it has the least cross sectional area.

and as far as this being a waste of time, gathering information to learn about something is never a waste of time. i've already learned more than i knew about deifferent model axles and where i can find them so it certainly hasn't been a waste. and besides, it's adding tech to the boards. i certainly wouldn't recommend purchasing parts or the entire axle, or fabricating parts to do a swap with this information alone. you're right, there is no substitue for personal verification, but at least it points people in the right direction on what axles are available, what models they come in, and what their measurements are "likely" to be.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Have you seen them side by the d60 is much larger. And because the ring gear is larger it takes less force to turn as opposed to the 8.8. The location of the bearing on the pinion also a key point as to pinion strength. that is the reason why the 14 bolt and ford 9 inch are the strongest center sections out there.

Good luck with you quest