Can you say " Flexxxxy"

[badzook]

How's this for Flexing Leaf Springs???

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[XEON]

I love leafs :razz:

[matt6669]

nice nice badzook
those revolvers are deffs letting those leafs flex like mad

Matt

[Halo Performance]

Is there a "jealous" smiley?

[Divinitous]

Lookin good. Once i get some sort of lift under my jeep i'm pretty sure i'll have you beat :)

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Lookin good. Once i get some sort of lift under my jeep i'm pretty sure i'll have you beat :)

Coils baby the only way to go. The TJ's do really well for right out of the BOX

[matt6669]

yes yes they do
i love my front coils
that makes me think for a second hmmmmmm
ahhh the possibilities.

Matt

[badzook]

Coils baby the only way to go. The TJ's do really well for right out of the BOX


Yup,
It would be the way to go. If I only had the time................... :mad:

[matt6669]

bahhhh you just gotta make time my friend
and just wheel it with the leaves you got enough flex for it to keep you preocupied for the moment

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Yup,
It would be the way to go. If I only had the time................... :mad:

You could sell both those zuks and buy a Jeep!

[MYGOODNESS]

Thats the cool part of wheeling a zuk. You can have two for the cost of one Jeep.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Thats the cool part of wheeling a zuk. You can have two for the cost of one Jeep.

but I would rather a jeep. I don't think you would trade your TJ for two Zuks would you?

[matt6669]

badzook has a maroon cherokee hahah he's got a parking lot at his house

and no i wouldn't sell my jeep for two zuks thats for sure lol lol

[badzook]

You could sell both those zuks and buy a Jeep!

I already have a Heep.. I'd rather keep the Zooks. In fact I'm always looking to pick up another one. I like the Wrangler alot but the XJ stinks for wheeling.

Don't get me started on this subject. It's a real sorespot with me.... :razz:

[sentinal02]

only one jeep for those two zuks? i think your selling them short there. :wtg:

[ROCKREADYXJ]

I already have a Heep.. I'd rather keep the Zooks. In fact I'm always looking to pick up another one. I like the Wrangler alot but the XJ stinks for wheeling.


The XJ is better for wheeling than a zook. I don't know how you could make such a statement about the XJ thats just wrong. Now if you look at people wheeling vehicles about 90% of them own Jeeps maybe 1% have a zook so I think that also says somthing for the jeep and the zook.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

only one jeep for those two zuks? i think your selling them short there. :wtg:


I wouldn't trade my lawnmower for two of them. I think you are selling the jeep short. a fair trade may be like 5 o6 of them for a Jeep. But everyone is entitled to thier opinion.

[badzook]

The XJ is better for wheeling than a zook. I don't know how you could make such a statement about the XJ thats just wrong. Now if you look at people wheeling vehicles about 90% of them own Jeeps maybe 1% have a zook so I think that also says somthing for the jeep and the zook.

90% to 1 % sounds about right.. That math is simple to understand. There are probably 1000 Jeeps available for every Zook. Thanks to Ralph Nader and the " Big Three" They will never make it here again. Guess they couldn't stand the competition. The last year they imported them was in 1995 and only a handfull made it here. That flipp over story is BS.

Today they are still being built and sold to countries where they are a used as a serious off-road vehicle, Like Australia and Brazil. For those people Traveling Off-Road is not for fun but a serious way of life. The New cost is still under $11k. The Jeep doesn't sell there for crap because they are too expensive, Unreliable and they don't go far on a tank of gas. In their countries gas is over $4.50 a gallon.

I'm not impressed with the XJ at all. It costs too much to build up and it's limited on buildup possibilities. It's a weak foundation to build up on. I own and built both of those Zooks for way less than half of what that XJ cost me..

The Zooks can be adapted to nearly any combination of drivelines you want to install into it with a Full Length Box Frame.. If I really wanted to I could put in Dana 44's 350 FI and 700r4 and it would still weigh less than 2500 lbs.. I've seen it done.

I'm actually ditching the XJ. It's a Fuel Pig, It wheels like crap. The Top doesn't come off. The hinges are welded on the door sills and the doors don't come off easily. The windshield doesn't flip down or come off. The T/C is Married. It's an overengineered electrical computerized nightmare. ( Flashing the Processor to make the Transmission shift properly is Bullshit as well as having 3 o2 sensors to do the job of one...). Dunk it in water and kiss the Alternator goodbye.. The Uni-Body is paper thin. The wheelbase is too long. The breakaway angle is too low. It's hell to clean up after wheeling. And, it's just as small inside as the Zook. When I take the XJ out there's no interest. It's just another Station Wagon.... :lmao:

When I mention I'm going wheeling this weekend.... everyone around here asks .... Are you takin' the Zook?? Can I go ????? When I wheel the Zook everyone wants to go wheeling with me.

My Sammy was buried under 2 1/2 feet of water idling ( read as Gurgling ) for 2 hours and suffered no ill effects and yes it's fuel injected. My alternator was soaked and it still works and I was winching the hell out of it at the time. I can wheel down Quad Trails without making 3 point turns every 50 feet....

I could go on all day with why I think the XJ stinks for Off-Road...

Anyone want to buy an XJ ????? It's for sale right now......

The only good I could find ...... It has A/C that actually works... :lmao:


Sorry for rambling, It's just a very sore spot with me right now. And Yes, I do like the Wrangler. In my book it has earned the name Jeep... It was my bad for buying that POS XJ in the firstplace...

Overall, my investment has been much better spent on the Zooks. Doing it is believing it. They're cheaper thna a new quad too :lmao:

[ROCKREADYXJ]

90% to 1 % sounds about right.. That math is simple to understand. There are probably 1000 Jeeps available for every Zook. Thanks to Ralph Nader and the " Big Three" They will never make it here again. Guess they couldn't stand the competition. The last year they imported them was in 1995 and only a handfull made it here. That flipp over story is BS.

Today they are still being built and sold to countries where they are a used as a serious off-road vehicle, Like Australia and Brazil. For those people Traveling Off-Road is not for fun but a serious way of life. The New cost is still under $11k. The Jeep doesn't sell there for crap because they are too expensive, Unreliable and they don't go far on a tank of gas. In their countries gas is over $4.50 a gallon.

I'm not impressed with the XJ at all. It costs too much to build up and it's limited on buildup possibilities. It's a weak foundation to build up on. I own and built both of those Zooks for way less than half of what that XJ cost me..

The Zooks can be adapted to nearly any combination of drivelines you want to install into it with a Full Length Box Frame.. If I really wanted to I could put in Dana 44's 350 FI and 700r4 and it would still weigh less than 2500 lbs.. I've seen it done.

I'm actually ditching the XJ. It's a Fuel Pig, It wheels like crap. The Top doesn't come off. The hinges are welded on the door sills and the doors don't come off easily. The windshield doesn't flip down or come off. The T/C is Married. It's an overengineered electrical computerized nightmare. ( Flashing the Processor to make the Transmission shift properly is Bullshit as well as having 3 o2 sensors to do the job of one...). Dunk it in water and kiss the Alternator goodbye.. The Uni-Body is paper thin. The wheelbase is too long. The breakaway angle is too low. It's hell to clean up after wheeling. And, it's just as small inside as the Zook. When I take the XJ out there's no interest. It's just another Station Wagon.... :lmao:

When I mention I'm going wheeling this weekend.... everyone around here asks .... Are you takin' the Zook?? Can I go ????? When I wheel the Zook everyone wants to go wheeling with me.

My Sammy was buried under 2 1/2 feet of water idling ( read as Gurgling ) for 2 hours and suffered no ill effects and yes it's fuel injected. My alternator was soaked and it still works and I was winching the hell out of it at the time. I can wheel down Quad Trails without making 3 point turns every 50 feet....

I could go on all day with why I think the XJ stinks for Off-Road...

Anyone want to buy an XJ ????? It's for sale right now......

The only good I could find ...... It has A/C that actually works... :lmao:


Sorry for rambling, It's just a very sore spot with me right now. And Yes, I do like the Wrangler. In my book it has earned the name Jeep... It was my bad for buying that POS XJ in the firstplace...

Overall, my investment has been much better spent on the Zooks. Doing it is believing it. They're cheaper thna a new quad too :lmao:

I think the real proof is in the driving and performance.

See you on the red's at paragon no need to argure I will just show you.

[XEON]

I think the real proof is in the driving and performance.

See you on the red's at paragon no need to argure I will just show you.

But your XJ is in parts... Anyway, I woul dhave to agree with Badzook, XJs are expensive and in my case break too much. :duh: I would like to try out a Zook one day. Maybe make a buggy out of it, that would be cool.

Like I always say... wheel what you got.

[matt6669]

I think the real proof is in the driving and performance.

See you on the red's at paragon no need to argure I will just show you.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA an't that the truth

I don't understand how you think it has too long of a wheel base and its breakaway angle is too low.

I would love to see that little zook go over some of the rocks that an xj can go over. Shit half of the time the size of rocks that an xj will go over are the size of a zook. Plus i would rather buy american made instead of japanese made or korean made or wherever they are made. Yes i know some of the stuff is built in canada or mexico i forget exactly where but they are closer to america than a zook.

but like joe said, we'll meet you on the reds at paragon

ps saw that you justin posted so i figured i would reply as well
the reason yours is breaking is because you bought a truck that was jew rigged from the get go. Then you went and wheeled it like a retard and then don't expect things to break. Thats ummm nevermind not even going to go there.

Also xj's arn't that expensive if you actually know what your doing. And plus WHO WANTS LEAVES ANYWAY!!!!! i know i don't!!

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Yes true mine is in pieces right now but I will have the new one soon. As far as being expensive it is more expensive than a zook but it is still less than a TJ. afterall 4 tiny leaf springs are cheap. And if you look at the quality of the componets used in both kits you can see why one costs more money than the other.

[badzook]

Ok,
Here's what I'm thinking,

Beating up my rigs on the Reds is pointless to me. Getting to where I need to be is. I need to use my rig for work. I drive it on a daily basis and wheel it at work alot.. I have to get access to remote areas all the time and with alot of field equipment. Yes, it is nice :lmao:

The XJ has to be a DD and wheel well. Street legal and inspectable. That is something it does ok I guess. The fact that I cannot Access these areas as well as with the Zook makes me have to Backpack with that equipment into these areas. There's little more room inside that XJ than the Zook. I still have to Strap stuff to the Roofrack..

I already know an XJ couldn't even come close to what the Zook will do. I've been trying to do it..It just doesn't happen. I'm constantly winching it out of places.. The Zook has a 52" Track Width and 82" Wheelbase and Practically no rear overhang. I rarely get the winch out with the Zook.

If you want to go over boulders that's fine. I like to take the line around them and will always beat you to the top..

No other vehicle except a Unimog will beat that...Try driving that on the Street.... :hahaha:

There are no vehicles currently sold in this country that will compare to these specs. You have to build one...ie The Zook....

With the XJ the Fuel Mileage Suks. 16-17 MPG at best. And it is costing a fortune in unrelated repairs. It's already eaten up a new set of BFG's in 17k miles and the Alignment is dead on!!! I rotated them every 3 k miles and they still wore out...How about Flashing the Processor ( Trans stuck in First Gear ) . Running Rich and fouling Plugs Bad o2 Sensor. Low Oil Pressure and Loose Oil Pump. Blown Rear Main seal. The list goes on... I've had that POS for 6 months and it's cost more than any other rig I've ever owned for years....

I'll stop there. There is more though.............

My Zook has never Broken Down on me. It hasn't cost diddly on repairs. I've Driven over 200k miles in Zooks. I beat the Crap Outta Them Offroad. It always gets like 25-27+ mpg. The only repairs I've had to make were Self inflicted. I have NEVER SPENT THAT KIND OF LOOT on senseless repairs.

American Cars Just Plain Suk...

I went Shopping for a Toyota Pickup last week and they won't budge on their prices. They wouldn't even take my American Iron for a trade. They just laughed and said sell it yourself..

Chevy, Ford and Dodge are trying to give their products away and nobody wants them. Employee Pricing for overpriced Junk...

I looked at a NEW 06 GMC 3500 series Pickup 4x4 with a Snowplow and they only wanted like 27k for it. They can't even give it away. The Toyota Tundra v8 is 35k without the plow!!! Another 5k with one..What does that tell you???

A friend of mine at work has a 03 Tacoma with 216k on clock. He gets 24 mpg consistently. He loves it and has never spent any money on it other than maintenance. He too beats the crap out of it.

Betcha can't guess what I'm buying Next .... :duh:

Yup. I'm rambling again... and just a little peeeoood :mad:

[mv420xx]

ill buy ur XJ for Free...

[badzook]

ill buy ur XJ for Free...
:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Yeah, after, I've fixed all the issues with it.......Not

I will give you a great deal on it though...It's outta here.........

[badzook]

Joe,
Are you putting coils in the XJ you're building? Looks like quite a project you're puttin' together. Why wouldn't you rather start with a full frame vehicle instead of cutting out a unibody just to reconstruct a new frame... I don't understand.

How will you connect the new frame to the existing unibody ?

Just curious.....

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Joe,
Are you putting coils in the XJ you're building? Looks like quite a project you're puttin' together. Why wouldn't you rather start with a full frame vehicle instead of cutting out a unibody just to reconstruct a new frame... I don't understand.

How will you connect the new frame to the existing unibody ?

Just curious.....

Yes all coilovers. don't need A full frame make my own so everything can sit where I want it to. I like the fact that it is a unibody. light and rigid. The new frame is weld in and will be tied in through out the cage thats where it will gain all its strength from. sheet metal is really for looks on this one

[matt6669]

Ok,
Here's what I'm thinking,

Beating up my rigs on the Reds is pointless to me. Getting to where I need to be is. I need to use my rig for work. I drive it on a daily basis and wheel it at work alot.. I have to get access to remote areas all the time and with alot of field equipment. Yes, it is nice :lmao:

Well if your not willing to beat on your rigs and take it on something that is ACTUALLY challenging then whats the point of trying to compare your xj to your zook. Also i don't remember your xj exactly minus the color. But isn't it stock.....??????? Like i said once my truck is trail ready again, you can i can go hit some trails. we'll see who makes it up first.

The XJ has to be a DD and wheel well. Street legal and inspectable. That is something it does ok I guess. The fact that I cannot Access these areas as well as with the Zook makes me have to Backpack with that equipment into these areas. There's little more room inside that XJ than the Zook. I still have to Strap stuff to the Roofrack..

I already know an XJ couldn't even come close to what the Zook will do. I've been trying to do it..It just doesn't happen. I'm constantly winching it out of places.. The Zook has a 52" Track Width and 82" Wheelbase and Practically no rear overhang. I rarely get the winch out with the Zook.

If you want to go over boulders that's fine. I like to take the line around them and will always beat you to the top..

No offense but you must be doing something entirely wrong then. Just because you have to use a winch all the time doesn't mean that people that know how to wheel have to use a winch. The only time i've ever had to be winched anywhere was on a decent and got my diff hung up on a rock and all 4 tires were just spinning. Thats the only time!!! Now you say that a 52 and 82 is IDEAL for a truck. Hmmmm then why do typical buggies measure 80-90 and about 110 wheelbase. Ohhh i guess there all building there buggies wrong. I guess maybe they should shorten there wheelbase by 30 inches and then try and bounce over the rocks instead of crawl over them. yeah that makes absolute sense.............. NOPE

No other vehicle except a Unimog will beat that...Try driving that on the Street.... :hahaha:

Read above like i said i would put my xj up against your zook anyday

There are no vehicles currently sold in this country that will compare to these specs. You have to build one...ie The Zook....

With the XJ the Fuel Mileage Suks. 16-17 MPG at best. And it is costing a fortune in unrelated repairs. It's already eaten up a new set of BFG's in 17k miles and the Alignment is dead on!!! I rotated them every 3 k miles and they still wore out...How about Flashing the Processor ( Trans stuck in First Gear ) . Running Rich and fouling Plugs Bad o2 Sensor. Low Oil Pressure and Loose Oil Pump. Blown Rear Main seal. The list goes on... I've had that POS for 6 months and it's cost more than any other rig I've ever owned for years....

No offense but you must not of known what you were looking at when you bought your xj then if you had to replace all of that stuff then. Also if you buy it from someone that hasn't done regular maintence then stuff is going to break. Just like your ohhh mighty toyotas if i were to buy one, take crappy care of it then sell it im sure something is going to go wrong.

I'll stop there. There is more though.............

My Zook has never Broken Down on me. It hasn't cost diddly on repairs. I've Driven over 200k miles in Zooks. I beat the Crap Outta Them Offroad. It always gets like 25-27+ mpg. The only repairs I've had to make were Self inflicted. I have NEVER SPENT THAT KIND OF LOOT on senseless repairs.

American Cars Just Plain Suk...

I went Shopping for a Toyota Pickup last week and they won't budge on their prices. They wouldn't even take my American Iron for a trade. They just laughed and said sell it yourself..

Chevy, Ford and Dodge are trying to give their products away and nobody wants them. Employee Pricing for overpriced Junk...

I looked at a NEW 06 GMC 3500 series Pickup 4x4 with a Snowplow and they only wanted like 27k for it. They can't even give it away. The Toyota Tundra v8 is 35k without the plow!!! Another 5k with one..What does that tell you???

What does that tell me. That foreign cars are overpriced junk!! Also i doubt a dealer laughed at you and said sell it yourself. Dealers will take anything, they might rape you a little on the price but i doubt they said that. But from the sounds of it they might of b/c i bet you i could walk into a toyota dealership and get them to budge on the price. If you can't get them to budge then you just suck at bargaining and i guess you should just suspect to pay full price. Ohhh and lets go and support someone else's economy when ours is in the shittier. No wonder why places like china have such a growing GDP that soon they will be producing and making more than the united states. Its such a shame. After owning my wrx its going to take hell and high water to get me to buy another foreign car. OHHHH YES AND I ALMOST FORGOT you think your foreign car is soooo cost effective YIPPPPIIIEEEEEEEE just wait untill something breaks on it. Thats when your going to shit your pants. For example i stupid little idler pulley on my wrx cost 40 dollars from subaru. Go get the equivelant part for a cherokee its like 2 dollars. Hmmm makes me wonder why i would wanna buy another foreign car when they rape you for the buying price and then when it breaks they rape you for the parts. Yeah i think ill stick with my american made vehicle. Plus i would take my 4.0 inline 6 over any motor that comes in a zuk.

A friend of mine at work has a 03 Tacoma with 216k on clock. He gets 24 mpg consistently. He loves it and has never spent any money on it other than maintenance. He too beats the crap out of it.

Betcha can't guess what I'm buying Next .... :duh:

Yup. I'm rambling again... and just a little peeeoood :mad:

peoed, whats there to ge peoed about my man, no need to get your knickers in a bunch. Lifes to short to have unwanted stress :lmao:

[sentinal02]

something actually challanging

you might want to watch bad wheel the zuk before you tell him he's not challanging it matt. I watched him run a Black 2 at paragon (M trail to be exact if memory serves) with 32" tires. you've got to compare wheeling goals and trail expectations here. IMO there is really no comparison between the zuk and your rig or Joe's for just that reason. Bad's zuk is designed for small trails and remote terain access where there may or may not be a trail. There's no way to get an Xj, or even a wrangler into some of those areas (trust me I've tried :lmao: ). Building a rig that will crawl over boulders on prepared or at least existing trails is a whole different ball game.

as for not seeing problems with a given vehicle, the man worked as a dealer tech man. I think he knows what he's doing. anyone can buy a lemon. I'll agree with you that all those problems sound fishy but I don't think it's fair to blame Bad for not seeing them. and as for the dealer not taking the XJ, i could see it happening. look at the SUV market these days. people have a hard time giving these things away. Dealers take what they can sell for a profit, not something that's going to sit on the lot and take up valuable retail space.

[dmxjg35]

you might want to watch bad wheel the zuk before you tell him he's not challanging it matt. I watched him run a Black 2 at paragon (M trail to be exact if memory serves) with 32" tires. you've got to compare wheeling goals and trail expectations here. IMO there is really no comparison between the zuk and your rig or Joe's for just that reason. Bad's zuk is designed for small trails and remote terain access where there may or may not be a trail. There's no way to get an Xj, or even a wrangler into some of those areas (trust me I've tried :lmao: ). Building a rig that will crawl over boulders on prepared or at least existing trails is a whole different ball game.

.

i wheeled a black 2 in my xj with 31" tires and no lockers without a problem but i agree with you, if your going to do tight trails a zook is good for that, but i wouldnt dare take a zook to climp a rocky hill. the xj will own there you cant compare for climbing up a steep rockey hill. It all depends on what/where you wheel, for where i wheel at pap the xj is about as good as it comes for me, theres not tight trails, and i would much much rather the bit longer wheel base

[matt6669]

now that i just tought of it
your talking about how strong zuks are and that the xj sucks b/c of its unibody hmmmmmm lets go back to last winter

lets see, dave stuck in the same pond as you badzook. Except if i remember correctly you have to totally rebuilt your frame and well dave can still drive his everyday. I gues that "crappy thin sheet metal frame" is stronger than that foreign stuff found in your zook huh.

[badzook]

Actually,

Sentinal02...

I did run the M a few weeks ago and all four rigs I went in with were busted at some point. I wheeled the entire day without any problems. I was waiting for the other rigs alot...I finished a couple Blacks and some mislableld blues too...

I'm taking bad II to PAP tomorrow to run the blacks with a couple of other Zookers....Can you make it down??? We need a good spotter.... It should be interesting..

I don't suppose you'll be there matt????

So Matt. When you get that Great XJ of yours finished, let's say you and I run some blacks. I will bring a friend to camcord the entire thing so we can share it with all the others.......

I want to see you follow me.....Let's really see what this great rig of yours can do.. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: He who breaks down first loses...Let's put your rig where your mouth is.

BTW Bring your winch ...YOU will need it.... :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Don't say I didn't warn you... I'll take you into places where you'll need a Helicopter to get that rig of yours out again...

Soo......what do ya say????

Made some mods to the rig this week for some more hardcore stuff...

Can't wait... See you all there tomorrow........ :wtg: :wtg:

[badzook]

now that i just tought of it
your talking about how strong zuks are and that the xj sucks b/c of its unibody hmmmmmm lets go back to last winter

lets see, dave stuck in the same pond as you badzook. Except if i remember correctly you have to totally rebuilt your frame and well dave can still drive his everyday. I gues that "crappy thin sheet metal frame" is stronger than that foreign stuff found in your zook huh.

It wasn't a weak frame... I used too many winches on it with double line pullleys 45k line pull will bend any frame.. Even the guys at the body shop don't use that much force. They said not to do that ever again..... I made a bad decision during the recovery and used too much force on the chassis. 20k is the max to use..... If that was an XJ it would be totaled. The unibody would be spent. Let me see you change the frame on that rig.... :lmao: :lmao: At least I could change it out..

If you make a mistake like that the car is junk..At least I could change out the frame..... Next time you use the winch give it a little thought first.. Learn from the mistakes of others...I always remember that day when I'm out in the XJ now...
Twist it up and you're done....It doesn't take that much force...

[matt6669]

not a problem badzook

and then we'll take a little trip over to reds and ill let you follow me. Unfortunetly ill be yelling from the top of the hill since the first rock is going to be the size of your truck. but ahhh thats alright, small people have there place in this world as well.

[dmxjg35]

this thread is getting kinda pointless to me, to say a zook is a better wheeler b/c it can go into tight trails is total crap, that doesnt make it a good off roader. Id say you and matt wheel up a extra steep rocky hill climb and see who can make it too the top? i bet you roll over backwards b/c your short wheel base, and matt makes it to the top. like i said before there is no one truck that is the best for wheeling if you want to do tight trails buy a quad, or a zook, if you want to do some hard trails with some large rocks steap hill climbs buy something with a longer wheel base b/c short wheel base and steap climbs dont go well.

[matt6669]

ahhhh but i wonder if you had a longer wheelbase if you would of come out of the water as easy as my brother had hmmmmm makes one wonder.

And if i ever bend my frame i don't care. I'll get it close to straight and then use a cage to tie it in. No biggie. that or just go get another doner as i can get my hands on a frame any time i want. But after i've wheeled this truck untill im bored with it. Im building a tube frame buggy sooooo it doesn't really matter
oohhh and its not gonna have an 82 inch wheelbase too btw!!

[MYGOODNESS]

Matt,

A winch can bend any frame.... I'm not sure what happened in bads recovery but if your bros rear wheels went down through the ice he would have been screwed .


BTW: After I cleaned up the jeep i noticed the Jeeperman winch mount was tweeked a bit. The power of a winch :)

[dmxjg35]

i also had a top notch winch operator behind me pulling me out :wtg: :wtg:

[badzook]

Matt,

A winch can bend any frame.... I'm not sure what happened in bads recovery but if your bros rear wheels went down through the ice he would have been screwed .




I fell in front first too...I was ok until the ice busted under my rear wheels.
That's when my recovery went bad. The entire rig went in and sank in the muck..The rest is history....

Even without ice it's a nasty place to get stuck.. I went back in the spring only to realize it's a big muck hole about 50 feet in diameter. I think that's why the ice broke. There was no support under it..

[sentinal02]

Actually,

Sentinal02...

I did run the M a few weeks ago and all four rigs I went in with were busted at some point. I wheeled the entire day without any problems. I was waiting for the other rigs alot...I finished a couple Blacks and some mislableld blues too...

I'm taking bad II to PAP tomorrow to run the blacks with a couple of other Zookers....Can you make it down??? We need a good spotter.... It should be interesting..

unfortunately a little too short notice. already have plans to visit friends from HS that are home for Thanksgiving tomorrow.

Matt, Dave and Bad fell in on the same trip so while they might have been the same puddle they definitely weren't in the same spot. there's no way short of measuring to tell if they fell in to equal depth. Also, i doubt it was wheel base that saved Daves rear end from breaking through. Gene and I were fairly close behind him and we never broke through, so I'd say he was closer to the edge. There's a break in the line there between the puddles where dave went in so it's possible his rear tires were still on land. You're right though, more wheel base would have spread the pressure out further on the ice, however the XJ definitely out-weighs the zuk so it might not have been as helpful as it first seems had Bad been driving a longer rig. probably just Rod's bad luck that dropped the rear in and things just went down hill from there. luckily for Dave, Gene was there in a flash to yank him back before the ice had a chance to break :wtg: btw, does anyone else pack an ax now when winter wheeling just incase they have to break up the ice in front or back of them because of this incident? I know i'd hate to have to try and do it with hammer or something else small.

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[XTC Jpr13]

Can't we all just agree that different vehicles have different strengths, and therefore different weakness's as well?I mean this thread is getting to the point where its not what this forum was meant to be about. It is tunring from a nice debate about the strengths and weakness's of different rigs to a bashin of not just other rigs but their drivers as well. If that's what you really want to do then why not go hang out on pirate. I don't think that is what is wanted here. No matter how built the xj or the zuk there are going to be areas where one prevails over the other and neither will totlly dominate the other.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

I will say that what a zook was good for in the past, such as tight places is has been be made obsoleet. Modern technologies like cutting brakes and rear stear make larger vehicle able to go where the smaller vehicles used to only be able to. Also a front/rear engageable t-case also makes it easier. I know that I can say that my red XJ can go anywhere that your zook can. But thats not what this thread was about. So I think that we should all just let it go. Constant debate will always exist over what rig is better. I can say in my honest opinion that the best rig is the one is built to meet the owners needs. I will leave it at that.

[Lagooz00xj]

Bad, PM me a number on that overpriced, overated, unreliable piece of american made garbage, I have a friend whos in the market for just that kind of thing.

Oh, and by the way, rig looks damn good.

[Jeepin'PA]

Enough with the internet balls already. Rod is a helluva wheeler and I'm sure he knows his sh!t, even if I don't agree with all of his views. Rockready, that is no way to run a business or sponsor a site-by putting down a potential client(customer) or his ride. And Matt even though I don't know or care to know you, when you can put up or shut up, your views might carry more weight. Get your sliderz on for once and quit bitching about foreign vehicles. I've owned enough foreign and domestic vehicles to know both have their high and low points. I currently wheel an XJ and a ZJ but have wheeled with some awesome Suzukis and know they are a very capable rigs. So I would suggest to Justin or Rod to shut this thread down, as it is promoting nothing but hard feelings between fellow off-roaders.

[mv420xx]

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

Yeah, after, I've fixed all the issues with it.......Not

I will give you a great deal on it though...It's outta here.........

:hahaha: :lmao: :lmao:

[XEON]

That Badzook II KICKS ASS. Be there and see it, those lockers are great!

Yea my XJ is nothign but issues. So is any Jeep and any wheeled truck.

[XEON]

Enough with the internet balls already. Rod is a helluva wheeler and I'm sure he knows his sh!t, even if I don't agree with all of his views. Rockready, that is no way to run a business or sponsor a site-by putting down a potential client(customer) or his ride. And Matt even though I don't know or care to know you, when you can put up or shut up, your views might carry more weight. Get your sliderz on for once and quit bitching about foreign vehicles. I've owned enough foreign and domestic vehicles to know both have their high and low points. I currently wheel an XJ and a ZJ but have wheeled with some awesome Suzukis and know they are a very capable rigs. So I would suggest to Justin or Rod to shut this thread down, as it is promoting nothing but hard feelings between fellow off-roaders.

:hahaha: One word, OWNED. :giveup:

Yes, all Jeeps are awesome. We wheeled with TWO stock ZJs with V8s and those things did all teh trails we did not NO major stucks. Just little bangs and then back up all out. Biggest stuck was a done up TJ that stopped on a icy hill and could not get back up. I didnt see it but thats what I heard down the grape vien.