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SleepRob89
11-13-2005, 01:18 AM
this may sound like i dont know what im talking about thats because i dont this is why im asking for help i have not flex on my yj i drove it up on my wall and the back wheel came off the ground and i dont know how to fix this let me know all the info about this and what to do thx for the help
this is my jeep on the wall showing no flex
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/PA220005.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/PA220004.jpg
and this is what i was into my firebird formula 5.7 V8 had it for a while even know i still can drive but it was a an automatic so sold it to my sister
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/6a_12.jpg
mybigredjeep
11-13-2005, 01:26 AM
:spinrhead if your front wheel came off the ground then u neeed to buy quick discos and disconect it they are pretty cheap from any major manufacturer. i have the teraflex ones and i am decently happy with them. they just need to be pb blasted every so often especially durring the winter. :spinrhead
cheers :dbeer:
:spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead :spinrhead
mybigredjeep
11-13-2005, 01:27 AM
o and pics no workie
Take the rear swaybar out, lots of people do that and it frees up lots of flex. Leafs dont flex like coils so expect to have tires off teh ground, I love when that happens.
http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/Ride_4-30-05/4-30-05/normal_DSCF0010.JPG
SleepRob89
11-13-2005, 02:03 PM
fixed the pics i think?!?!?!?!?
fixed the pics i think?!?!?!?!?
Your front sway bar is conneced. If you disconnect that you will get lots flex. What leaf springs do you have?
NYWheeler
11-13-2005, 03:25 PM
Disconnect the front sway bar and throw the rear track bar in the garbage if you haven't already. You can also get a set of Teraflex revolver shackles.
SleepRob89
11-13-2005, 03:25 PM
idk what springs i have they came with the truck i got to truck from a guy near my dads house it was sitting for 2 yrs withe hout moving bc he broke the driveshaft and i got it for $1000 and then picked up a hardtop in NYC for free the lady told my to just take it out of her kitchen so i did.
so if i disconect the swaybar with the little pin what do i do just leave it there or take it off if i just take the hole sway bar off could i drive like that or would that be bad
NYWheeler
11-13-2005, 03:32 PM
so if i disconect the swaybar with the little pin what do i do just leave it there or take it off if i just take the hole sway bar off could i drive like that or would that be bad
When you disconnect the sway bar you would have to secure it from falling and getting in the way. I use zip ties when I'm wheeling. I used to run no sway bar and no front track bar on my YJ all the time. Try driving on the street with the sway bar disconnected and see how you like it. If you can live with it than just remove it completely.
sentinal02
11-13-2005, 05:35 PM
leaves will flex just fine 95% of the time when you set them up right:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Misc%20Jeep%20Pics/Flex3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v608/sentinal02/Misc%20Jeep%20Pics/Flex4.jpg
those pics are with all three bars removed. besides a better ride i don't notice much difference in the handling on road. just don't drive it like that one in your bottom picture :lmao:
besides disconnecting, go out and get new grade 8 bolts for the shackles and matching lock nut, the nylon insert kind. replace the bolts and torque the bolts to about 40-45 ft-lbs. the stock spec is 90 ft-lbs and it really robs you of flex. :wtg:
I know leafs flex good, I love them :)
But I was asking what leafs he had because I had some ProComps and those things didnt even budge! I bought BDS and LOVE THEM. :)
ROCKREADYXJ
11-14-2005, 09:08 AM
I would say do a spring over you will get more ground clearence and a lot more flex and ditch the rear sway bar and track bar.
Or you can do coilover conversion you will never see a leaf spring do this. And thats with the sway bar
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/ROCKREADYXJ/209374809qlHgOk_ph.jpg
matt6669
11-14-2005, 02:10 PM
SHOW OFF lol lol just kidding bud
ps i got your email ill watch it when i get home im pumped lol lol
Matt
dmxjg35
11-14-2005, 02:45 PM
psssh thats nothing, i bet my rear could come close with those teraflex's in there now, tryed jacking up the rear a bit to get my rear spring resteated and i could get the tires to come off the ground :wtg:
Team Ramrod
11-14-2005, 04:31 PM
Leaves with swaybar disconnected
http://storage.msn.com/x1p4JHjVbcjTC_PwIflrasELJz3IdmGihraVhhpohARmyNy4tY A6fghddcV5hVE1B3Hio92Ak-x0_r_8ds4ohZqiXuO8oPKuVOANU1Ld06agS6q7DIbDsBeumIs4 mwWx3HewAuc8G-6zXYWIGwnMh_QtQ
ROCKREADYXJ
11-15-2005, 10:36 AM
that bumper almost hits that rock.
Nice to see some fullsizers doing some crawling
SleepRob89
11-19-2005, 02:42 PM
ok my update i took out the front swaybar and now have more flex but now cam across a new prob
now when i turn the wheel it makes a rather loud clunking noise does anyone know why???
http://www.vzwpix.com/mi/55089910_168435931_37879161_1132425522611.jpeg?lim itsize=320,320&outquality=56&ext=.jpg&border=2,0,0,0
hey man, mine did that once i took it off cause of the stupid front track bar relocation brackets bein loose.....just tossed the bar!!!..same thing happened with the rear bar with same result.. got a similiar knockin noise because of one the tierod ends bein worn.. hope that helps with the problem
SleepRob89
11-19-2005, 05:53 PM
so your telling me to take off the track bar???
sentinal02
11-19-2005, 06:36 PM
so your telling me to take off the track bar???
the main bar itself can slide in the bushings side to side once you remove disco the links. it's possible that's what you're hearing if you don't have it tied up tight.
SleepRob89
11-19-2005, 07:04 PM
from the trac bar or the swaybar?♣?
probly from the track bar bein loose at the axle end it where the relocation bracket is just pull on it to see if it's loose or have some one turn the steering wheel back and forth a little and see if there's play anywhere.... if its the track bar just ditch it and see if u dont mind the slight difference...
SleepRob89
11-20-2005, 08:16 AM
sounds good thx
ROCKREADYXJ
11-23-2005, 08:37 AM
How did you make out? Anymore flex?
matt6669
11-23-2005, 09:07 AM
i would sure hope he got more flex after removing that otherwise he's got a serious problem with his suspension.
get us some pics
If he does nto get more flex then he has crappy leafs.
matt6669
11-23-2005, 02:29 PM
well if he took all of that stuff off his leafs would have to be a solid bar to not get anymore flex meaning there not flexing at all because he had like no flex in those pictures
well if he took all of that stuff off his leafs would have to be a solid bar to not get anymore flex meaning there not flexing at all because he had like no flex in those pictures
What? ... :duh:
matt6669
11-23-2005, 02:50 PM
nm you just don't get it i suppose...............
nm you just don't get it i suppose...............
You should really look at that post, I read it many times and I just barly get it. Maybe put some periods and commas and some other words to make it complete...
My post before about they might be crappy leafs. This is because crappy cheap leafs do not flex at all. Those 4" leafs sound and look like ProComps. Those are just about the worse leafs made. They have no movement in them and if you replace them with lets say BDS, Rubicon Express, or custom made leafs, you will see lots more flex.
I had my rear track bar in while wheeling and it flexed good enough for me. But its been said if you remove it you will gain more flex if you have good leafs and your bolts are not extremly tight.
http://www.tri-state4x4.com/gallery/albums/Ride_4-30-05/4-30-05/normal_DSCF0010.JPG
See the rear has a good amount of flex even with track bar installed. Its got 2" springs and Boomerang shackles torqued down to about 15-20LBS. (That helped but make sure to check the torque every so often)
ROCKREADYXJ
11-23-2005, 04:05 PM
I would not recomend leaving those shackles loose thats asking for trouble. a good set of springs and poly bushings you can grease are the best you can get for leaves.
And you articulation will improve when you remove the trac bar. can wait to see your new pics so get em up
ROCKREADYXJ
11-23-2005, 04:07 PM
i would sure hope he got more flex after removing that otherwise he's got a serious problem with his suspension.
get us some pics
Matt it took me like 15 time to get it but I get it now
dmxjg35
11-23-2005, 04:25 PM
Matt it took me like 15 time to get it but I get it now
:wtg: me too hahaha
matt6669
11-23-2005, 06:15 PM
you guys are dumb it clearly says that he has no flex right now so if he takes the stuff out and it doesn't flex then it doesn't mean his packs are crappy it means he doesn't have packs he has metal bars thats not hard to understand
ehhh ohhs well shiat happens
or his shocks are too short and pos springs
you guys are dumb it clearly says that he has no flex right now so if he takes the stuff out and it doesn't flex then it doesn't mean his packs are crappy it means he doesn't have packs he has metal bars thats not hard to understand
ehhh ohhs well shiat happens
Ha, thats exactly what I said... :lmao:
matt6669
11-23-2005, 09:40 PM
where in any of your posts does it say that he would have metal bars
i stated that its not the fact that he has CRAPPY LEAFS read my post again i said if it wouldn't flex anymore that means he has something solid and a leaf DEFINITELY isn't solid. anyway i don't wanna get off topic soooooooooo like the guys said take that stuff off and take it for a spin see what happens. If you get a little more flex outta the beast but not as much as you would like there are things that can be done. I definitely would not leaf your bolts loose that is just ludicris and is just trying to get yourself killed. All bolts should be tightened to spec and last time i checked 20 lb's definietly isn't spec for something that seems that much use especially if you use it on the road at speeds.
Like joe said get a nice set of bushing and grease them up. If that doesn't work then i would invest in some new leaves. Also revolver shackles are really good. My brother and badzook both have them. Instead of letting the springs do all of the work the revolver lets you get something like 2 more inches or something in travel because they start out flat and then go almost vertical its a pretty trick setup.
SleepRob89
11-23-2005, 09:56 PM
where in any of your posts does it say that he would have metal bars
i stated that its not the fact that he has CRAPPY LEAFS read my post again i said if it wouldn't flex anymore that means he has something solid and a leaf DEFINITELY isn't solid. anyway i don't wanna get off topic soooooooooo like the guys said take that stuff off and take it for a spin see what happens. If you get a little more flex outta the beast but not as much as you would like there are things that can be done. I definitely would not leaf your bolts loose that is just ludicris and is just trying to get yourself killed. All bolts should be tightened to spec and last time i checked 20 lb's definietly isn't spec for something that seems that much use especially if you use it on the road at speeds.
Like joe said get a nice set of bushing and grease them up. If that doesn't work then i would invest in some new leaves. Also revolver shackles are really good. My brother and badzook both have them. Instead of letting the springs do all of the work the revolver lets you get something like 2 more inches or something in travel because they start out flat and then go almost vertical its a pretty trick setup.
thx on the info and i will look into all that good stuff thx once again
matt6669
11-24-2005, 01:25 AM
not a problem man thats what were here for hahaha
hope we could be of some help
Wo0! Scratch the 15-20LBS. I meant 40-45LBS on the shackle bolts. Yea 15-20LBS would not be bad, and I did not put mine at that. Mine are at 40-45LBS. That will help flex a lot and the ride will be much better. Dont forget to get locking nuts so they dont back out. But make sure to check torque after 500 miles or so.
SleepRob89
11-25-2005, 02:43 AM
ok quick Q? i got a 4" lift could i put 6" shocks on it for more flex or would that be bad???
sentinal02
11-25-2005, 03:07 AM
ok quick Q? i got a 4" lift could i put 6" shocks on it for more flex or would that be bad???
if you want more droop, probably. you've got to watch things on the compression side though. 6" shocks might not compress far enough and it will limit you that way. if the compression side can't go up any further then the droop side isn't going to drop any more either. if you really want to use long travel shocks you should relocate the shock mounts to run a longer shock. this way you length both the down travel, and the up. one other thing to remember that while flex certainly looks cool, there's a difference between maximum travel and effective travel. when your axle starts flexing it means there's a difference in the weight distribution of the jeep. the majority of the weight is on the compression wheel. that means that wheel will have the most traction and thus the most ability to keep you moving forward. the drooping wheel has very little weight applied to it and so it has very little traction, since traction is a function of friction which is directly related to down force. so once you hit your bump stop on the compression side, your effective flex has reached its maximum. the wheel with the most traction isn't going to compress into the fender any further so it doesn't really matter what the other wheel is doing. if the droop side keeps dropping, it's only going to pivot the top of the compression tire toward the center of the jeep more, but it's not going to push it any further into the fenderwell. so really the advantage is on more travel on the upwards side. the two do go hand in hand, but it's something to keep in mind before you drop huge amounts of money on longer shocks with extended bumpstops to get more down travel out of the axle.
ROCKREADYXJ
11-25-2005, 08:10 AM
ok quick Q? i got a 4" lift could i put 6" shocks on it for more flex or would that be bad???
I will sum it up quick to work efectivly no
if you want alot of droop yes but will bottom out ride shitty.
I would suggest you raise the shock mounts so you can get the best of both worlds longer shocks that will give you the droop and the good ride
SleepRob89
11-25-2005, 04:01 PM
I will sum it up quick to work efectivly no
if you want alot of droop yes but will bottom out ride shitty.
I would suggest you raise the shock mounts so you can get the best of both worlds longer shocks that will give you the droop and the good ride
so do you sell something like that or i got to make it??? if i got to make it what should i use???
ROCKREADYXJ
11-25-2005, 04:32 PM
so do you sell something like that or i got to make it??? if i got to make it what should i use???
I can make it if you want one out of tubing. did you try removing that stuff and seeing what kind of flex you get?
SleepRob89
11-25-2005, 07:29 PM
I can make it if you want one out of tubing. did you try removing that stuff and seeing what kind of flex you get?
ok i took out the sway bar and have a little more flex.
how much would it be and would i have to weld rite???
matt6669
11-25-2005, 07:31 PM
wheres the pictures my man gotta get us pictures hahah
if your gonna have joe fab the part might as well have him just weld what you need right in that way you know its done right. Or you could weld it in yourself if you know how to weld.
SleepRob89
11-25-2005, 07:52 PM
i will take and put up pics tom before like 2pm
ROCKREADYXJ
11-26-2005, 11:19 AM
ok i took out the sway bar and have a little more flex.
how much would it be and would i have to weld rite???
I would like to see the pictures of the flex after. As far as a shock hoop I would weld it all up and make it so it could be bolted on and off.
SleepRob89
11-26-2005, 05:17 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/bd575584.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/618857e1.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/2f247dc7.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/8491c2cc.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y103/fatmanonalilbike/Jeep/aa3d9bac.jpg
this is what it is with the swaybar out, let me know if pics don't work.
sentinal02
11-26-2005, 06:08 PM
defintiely looks like you could do better. have you tried it without the track bar yet? also, how new are the springs? it helps to get them out on the trails and flexing if they're new.
mv420xx
11-26-2005, 07:04 PM
u should be able to flex like this...
http://www.tri-state4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1078
http://x7.putfile.com/10/2771822219.jpg
Thats a 4 banger right? Seems as though those springs are barly bending at all. I think they are just terrible leafs and lake of weight to bend those springs. Very interesting.
SleepRob89
11-26-2005, 09:58 PM
Thats a 4 banger right? Seems as though those springs are barly bending at all. I think they are just terrible leafs and lake of weight to bend those springs. Very interesting.
negitive its a 6 4.7 stroker
SleepRob89
11-26-2005, 10:00 PM
u should be able to flex like this...
http://www.tri-state4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1078
http://x7.putfile.com/10/2771822219.jpg
plz tel me the details on you lift and what you have and took off thx Rob
SleepRob89
11-26-2005, 10:02 PM
defintiely looks like you could do better. have you tried it without the track bar yet? also, how new are the springs? it helps to get them out on the trails and flexing if they're new.
nope noy yet thats what im gunna do next the guy i got the jeep from said that he only had 100-200 miles on the lift and tires so idk
sentinal02
11-26-2005, 10:15 PM
nope noy yet thats what im gunna do next the guy i got the jeep from said that he only had 100-200 miles on the lift and tires so idk
if those were on road miles then i would try parking the jeep in the flexed position over night. keep doing that till you get all 4 corners done. then go out on the cross bronx expressway and do like 50 over every pothole in sight :lmao:
seriously though, you may just need to break those springs in. disco the track bar, loosen the shackles if you haven't already (looks like stock bolts in there), take it to PAP and start flexing it on the rocks. it'll loosen up before the day it out. :wtg: and as for MV's pic, just remember he's got coils in there.
matt6669
11-26-2005, 10:43 PM
haha i know right sen. Im like yeah he has coils thats why he has more flex but nice flex pictures man pretty decent.
I definitely think what the guys said are right. If the guy only drove it 100 200 miles after putting on the lift those springs are no where near broken in it. You need to flex that baby out and get those leafs use to moving b/c right now im sure they are extremely stiff. Also im sure if you had a ledge of higher height you would see how much those leafs will flex. Right now the reason there not flexing that much is b/c the height of your wall isn't that high. You have a little body roll but not really close to being maxed out. Try to find a higher ledge and flex it. I bet you could get your tires closer to hitting your fenders if not maybe hitting them.
If that happens then its time to bump stop. Find out the torque settings for shackles too btw. Torque them down to what there suppose to be. Don't just loosen them. If you loosen them and don't have them torqued to what there suppose to be your just jury rigging your jeep and asking for problems. Make sure you do it the right way.
Also what kind of shackles do you have. Are they greaseable...? If not thats part of your problem right there as well. Make sure they are a nice greaseable set that'll also help on road feel.
Matt
SleepRob89
11-26-2005, 10:55 PM
im gunna be getting new shackles so i will be sure to get the greaseable ones i think my shocks might be a little short also idk if i should get new ones all wround or just the front bc the back ones look good and the front not so good i think ill just go all around
sentinal02
11-26-2005, 11:05 PM
im gunna be getting new shackles so i will be sure to get the greaseable ones i think my shocks might be a little short also idk if i should get new ones all wround or just the front bc the back ones look good and the front not so good i think ill just go all around
i'm running your average run of the mill home brewed shackles. greasables are nice, but i didn't like the price tag, or the idea of grease passages running through the bolts holding my jeep up. you defintiely don't want to just loosen the bolts up, but go back to the second page or so and look at my suggestion to replace the stock bolts with grade 8 bolts and nylon lock nuts. the stock spec is 90 ft lbs which is way too tight to let the springs move. I run half that and have for 2 years. I usually check the nuts for proper torque every couple oil changes and they've never been loose. Just be ready to replace the nuts if you ever take the shackles apart again. no big deal since the nuts are only like 40 cents or so. if you think the shocks are what's limiting your flex though, take them loose and ramp it again. you won't hurt anything running it without them for that and that's how you measure for max shock length anyway when you do custom setups.
SleepRob89
11-26-2005, 11:17 PM
if i take out the trac bar would my truck "dogwalk"
matt6669
11-26-2005, 11:33 PM
wow sen i never thought about that for the shocks. that totally slipped my mind. good idea though that will definietly let him know if the shocks are his limiting factor of if its the wall or if its his leafs. Good idea!! :)
Now you got some more things to try, haha were keeping you busy arn't we...?
sentinal02
11-26-2005, 11:45 PM
if i take out the trac bar would my truck "dogwalk"
sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. a lot of times it's really driver's preference. Tom, I and others all ditched ours and never looked back, right along with the sway bar. Is it as safe as the stock setup, no. but think about this. The CJ's never had either one. And while yeah there are the myths that they were so easy to roll they're really not much worse than some of the SUV's out there on the market today. It's all in how you drive it. they sell disconnectable track bars too though if you find that it effects your handling too much. try it and see. just take it easy until you know what it's gonna do.
Matt, that's cause you're always letting Joe do all the work for ya. I'm sure he would have thought of that right away. you do your own work and you learn those kinda things :hahaha:
matt6669
11-26-2005, 11:55 PM
yup yup if you say so
the only reason i have joe do most of my work now is b/c my time has become way more valuabe than for me to sit there and tinker with my jeep. It would be much more cost effective for me to just pay joe than for me to sit at home and waste my time working on it. Between going to school full time and working for an architecht and working at a bar my time is very limited. So its just easier for me to give most of my stuff to joe than for me to work on it. A lot of people have more spare time than me thats why they get to work on there trucks. Between school and work if i had to guess i would say im putting 80 hours inbetween all of them. That doesn't even count the time spent on doing hw either as sometimes im up till 1-2 or 3 in the morning doing hw. So as you can see my time is very limited exactly why i just pay someone to do most of my work.
Just sooo i can't get accused of being off topic.
On wranglers you can ditch the parts mentioned above becuase of the setup of the wrangler. I wouldn't even think of driving a cherokee on the strees without atleast a front sway bar. I'm actually fabbing up a way to make my rear sway bar disconnectable so its more stable on the street. But ditch the stuff drive it on the road. If you don't like the way it handles theres ways to make that stuff disconnectable.
sentinal02
11-27-2005, 12:41 AM
i hear ya on the school thing. I was up all hours of the night as well when i was working on my degree. And yeah, you definitely need the sway bar on the road when you've got coils.
mv420xx
11-27-2005, 12:45 AM
yeah my rear sway bar was tossed and have jks discos w/ a 3 or 4" Rustys lift, orderd 33s last week and cant wait to get em mounted...
matt6669
11-27-2005, 12:50 AM
after cruising down rt23 by me at about 65 and having a deer run in front of my and wailing on my brakes and having my ass end start of fish tail at 65 scared the living hell outta me. I said im gonna have to find a way to get that rear sway bar back on there lol lol
SleepRob89
11-27-2005, 01:40 AM
after cruising down rt23 by me at about 65 and having a deer run in front of my and wailing on my brakes and having my ass end start of fish tail at 65 scared the living hell outta me. I said im gonna have to find a way to get that rear sway bar back on there lol lol
just throw a chain on it from the frame to the rear and u should be good i think..lol
:lmao:
ROCKREADYXJ
11-27-2005, 05:29 PM
u should be able to flex like this...
http://www.tri-state4x4.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1078
http://x7.putfile.com/10/2771822219.jpg
Fatman it should not flex this much but if you are looking for this drastic of flex I would sugesst you go spring over. Remeber this is a coil front end the be havedifferently
ROCKREADYXJ
11-27-2005, 05:36 PM
I would say start simple and work foward. if you want to dithc the track bars I would suggest a shackle reversal that will help keep the front end from wandering on you going down the road. I would say a good set of greasable shackles would help alot but I would not suggest you leave the bolts loose. If I can help you any further do not hesitate to call.
Take the track bar out and see how much it improves.
SleepRob89
11-27-2005, 06:05 PM
I would say start simple and work foward. if you want to dithc the track bars I would suggest a shackle reversal that will help keep the front end from wandering on you going down the road. I would say a good set of greasable shackles would help alot but I would not suggest you leave the bolts loose. If I can help you any further do not hesitate to call.
Take the track bar out and see how much it improves.
i will when i get a chance thx
SleepRob89
12-11-2005, 06:43 PM
hey i have a question if i make a trac bar relocater like it would meke the trac bar higher would that give me more flex???
ROCKREADYXJ
12-11-2005, 06:56 PM
hey i have a question if i make a trac bar relocater like it would meke the trac bar higher would that give me more flex???
No it would not add anything
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