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[wrangler]

Hey guys,

I replaced the starter 3000 miles ago. I have a good battery (tested it) and all but sometimes it just clicks when i turn the key. Other times it starts like nothing is wrong. Its hit or miss...most of the time it will start right up but 5 min ago i tried to start it and it clicked. I checked it for loose wires and could not find any. Nothing even wiggled. do you have any sudjestions to what might be wrong? It seems to happen after extreme Temp changes. The first time it happened when it went from warm to real cold over night. This time it was real cold yesterday and real warm today.. I don't know if this is just a coincidence or if it has something to do with it. I can always push start but I don't think it is possible to push start in a small parking lot by myself. If anyone has any idea what is wrong please tell me.

Thanks,
Cody

[badzook]

Hey guys,

I replaced the starter 3000 miles ago. I have a good battery (tested it) and all but sometimes it just clicks when i turn the key. Other times it starts like nothing is wrong. Its hit or miss...most of the time it will start right up but 5 min ago i tried to start it and it clicked. I checked it for loose wires and could not find any. Nothing even wiggled. do you have any sudjestions to what might be wrong? It seems to happen after extreme Temp changes. The first time it happened when it went from warm to real cold over night. This time it was real cold yesterday and real warm today.. I don't know if this is just a coincidence or if it has something to do with it. I can always push start but I don't think it is possible to push start in a small parking lot by myself. If anyone has any idea what is wrong please tell me.

Thanks,
Cody

Hey Cody,
Guess cleaning and reinstalling those plugs after the dunking didn't help huh???

Try This...... then get back to us....

Turn on the headlights... Try to start.... If they remain bright... You have a bad connection somewhere.... If they go out..... then it is the battery or corroded terminals at the battery etc... Keep us posted...

[wrangler]

lights stay nice and bright...so there's a problem somewhere in between the battery and the starter? If it is a bad connection to the starter, why does it still click? I also tried turning on the inside light which always turns off during start up and it did not even dim.

thanks,
cody

[NYWheeler]

lights stay nice and bright...so there's a problem somewhere in between the battery and the starter? If it is a bad connection to the starter, why does it still click? I also tried turning on the inside light which always turns off during start up and it did not even dim.

thanks,
cody

It still clicks because its getting power but just not enough. I've seen several jeeps with the connection on the starter coming from the solenoid that have corroded and caused a bad connection. If thats it than you need to cut off terminal and crimp on a new one. It could also be the power wire coming from the battery. There are only a couple of wires going to the starter so it shouldn't be that hard to figure out.

[wrangler]

so, the whole wire needs to be replaced or just the end where it attaches to the solenoid? I don't need to replace the solenoid do i? If it was not getting enough power wouldn't the lights dim?

Thanks for the input,
Cody

[XEON]

Yea, I would think the soleniod is not getting enough power. My ATV would always do that with my old battery. Click lots, hook up charger and started right up, I bought a new battery and bam worked. Probally bad connection between battery and starter. Check to make sure your the battery terminals are on good, no corrison or anything. Should be no movement. Hope this helps out!

Still applies, Just Empty Every Pocket. :mad:

[wrangler]

Yea, I would think the soleniod is not getting enough power. My ATV would always do that with my old battery. Click lots, hook up charger and started right up, I bought a new battery and bam worked. Probally bad connection between battery and starter. Check to make sure your the battery terminals are on good, no corrison or anything. Should be no movement. Hope this helps out!

Still applies, Just Empty Every Pocket. :mad:so does the soleniod need to be replaced or just the conections?
thanks

[XEON]

so does the soleniod need to be replaced or just the conections?
thanks

I beleive the solinod is on the starter itself, and you say its new, so I dont think its the soleniod. I would say you hve loose connections or bad ones. Just follow the red thick wire from the starter and follow it to the block and start checking to make sure its all in good condition and the battery terminal is good too.

[ROCKREADYXJ]

so does the soleniod need to be replaced or just the conections?
thanks

Clean all your connections including the battery and that should solve your problem. If not replace the battery cables.

[NYWheeler]

can't tell without seeing the jeep. The easiest would be to check the connections. I might be wrong but I believe you have an external solenoid so you can always test how many volts are coming out of it to determine if its good or not. But it seems like its not getting enough power from the battery. Take Joe's advice and you should be fine.

[badzook]

can't tell without seeing the jeep. The easiest would be to check the connections. I might be wrong but I believe you have an external solenoid so you can always test how many volts are coming out of it to determine if its good or not. But it seems like its not getting enough power from the battery. Take Joe's advice and you should be fine.


Cody,
You said it's clicking. This means the solenoid is getting power but maybe not enough. Clean all of the connections on the starter and battery. If it still only clicks...
Smack the starter with a hammer while someone is turning the key to start at the same time.( Be very carefull that it is in [neutral / if Stick] or [Park / if automatic] when you do this don't want you to run over yourself...LOL ) . If it fires right up then it's probably the brushes or armature in the starter not the solenoid. Replace the starter and solenoid as a unit. They're bolted together.. Keep us posted

[wrangler]

iactualy got some white powdery stuffaround the battery...is thsat corasion??? i tok all wires aff cleaned terminals and still no luck

[XEON]

iactualy got some white powdery stuffaround the battery...is thsat corasion??? i tok all wires aff cleaned terminals and still no luck

Make sure the terminals on the batter are setted GOOD. Get a charger on the battery, might be low. You should not be able to turn the terminals on the battery. The white stuff is corrison or oxiation or what ever they call it. That means the terminals were not on good enough I think. Keep trying :)

[ROCKREADYXJ]

What did you clean the terminals with? Post cleaner is the best or a wire brush you need to get them spot less. What voltage does the battery readjust sitting there on a digital voltmeter (not the gauge on the dash)? Then check the voltage on the battery while cranking (you will need two people for this) Then check voltage on the post on the starter while cranking post all those numbers and I can better solve your problem for you. But I need to know the voltage readings.

[wrangler]

ok,

I disconnected the starter wires from the starter and batt. Cleaned the crap out of them, spayed it all with wd-40. There was some dirt in between the connections that may have caused problems. Unfortunately i don't have a volt meter here..only at home...I'll try to get on if i can get a ride into town. after i hooked everything back up, still no luck. It used to not start occasionally but it had no problems most of the time. Now it never starts. There is a small wire that is about 2 inches long that goes from the solenoid to the starter. Is this wire important? It looks in pretty bad shape. Can it be replaced w/o removing the starter and what kind of wire should it be replaced with. Right now it is this flat braided wire with no insulation around it. it looks as if it might be disconnected at the one end that goes to the starter. Could this be the problem?

thanks,
cody

[XEON]

Take your battery out and have a freind drive you to an autoparts store. Have them test it and make sure its all good. If the solenid clicks that means it works, I think. So then you are not getting enough power to turn the motor over.

[wrangler]

already push started it and got it tested at wal-mart...batt checked out fine

[badzook]

What did you clean the terminals with? Post cleaner is the best or a wire brush you need to get them spot less. What voltage does the battery readjust sitting there on a digital voltmeter (not the gauge on the dash)? Then check the voltage on the battery while cranking (you will need two people for this) Then check voltage on the post on the starter while cranking post all those numbers and I can better solve your problem for you. But I need to know the voltage readings.

Ypu, I can see it already. 9 Volts at the starter. Corrosion all the way down the Cable ...LOL

We can't diagnose your car on line it doesn't work that way.. We try to help but. Hands on is the way to go...

Cody.
Sounds like you left a wire disconnected. Maybe the relay actuating wire??

Just keep parking on hills :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[wrangler]

I actually think the only thing not clean and in good looking condition is the wire that goes from the solenoid to the starter. Even though you cant figure it out online..THANKS for all of your help guys. I at least ruled out a few things that are not the problem lol.

Thanks,
Cody

P.S. All the parking lots are flat around here.....those idiots are stupid for leveling them off first...cant i just install a crank start?

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Ypu, I can see it already. 9 Volts at the starter. Corrosion all the way down the Cable ...LOL

exactly pretty common on those older YJ,s



Cody.
Sounds like you left a wire disconnected. Maybe the relay actuating wire??

Just keep parking on hills :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:


I think that wire he is talking about is the starter gound that goes from the solinoid to the starter. but the relay actuating wire comes from the starter so if its clicking then its connected. but i was also thinking maybe a ground for the relay is coroded


Cody go buy a cheap voltmeter from sears get a digital one there about $30 test the terminals the way I posted Thats really the best I can do for you with out telling you to change every part under the hood till it works.

Option 2 drive it over here and I can look at it and test it.

Did you put a used starter in this?

[ROCKREADYXJ]

ok,

I disconnected the starter wires from the starter and batt. Cleaned the crap out of them, spayed it all with wd-40.
thanks,
cody

did you also use a wire brush or did you just spray them? why WD-40?

[dmxjg35]

did you also use a wire brush or did you just spray them? why WD-40?

wd-40 is great for getting bolts lose, but horrible for electrical connections, look at a bolt you sprayed with wd it will be covered in dirt and grime it addracts all kinds of mud and dirt to it, i would do what joe said wire brush it all, and you might want to replace the battery cables mine i having the same problem and I think that the bat cable got corroded INSIDE the plastic coating of the cable. Got new heavy dudy ones but havent installed them yet to test this out

[rockdawg]

Wasnt it you in an older post who replaced a bad starter with a used one?
If the one you installed is going bad it will reqire exessive amperage to turn the motor over.
So even if you have decent wires and battery voltage it may not start.
Just one other possibility to think about.
Some auto parts stores can bench test starters.

[wrangler]

Wasnt it you in an older post who replaced a bad starter with a used one?
If the one you installed is going bad it will reqire exessive amperage to turn the motor over.
So even if you have decent wires and battery voltage it may not start.
Just one other possibility to think about.
Some auto parts stores can bench test starters.Do you know of any that can test the starter?...i dont think it is the problem though becuase it never gave any indication of any problems before.
thanks

[XEON]

Do you know of any that can test the starter?...i dont think it is the problem though becuase it never gave any indication of any problems before.
thanks

Unbolt it from the bell housing, and try turning it over outside the car. That would test if the soleniod works and if the motor turns. But there still might not be enough power to the starter...

[badzook]

Unbolt it from the bell housing, and try turning it over outside the car. That would test if the soleniod works and if the motor turns. But there still might not be enough power to the starter...

You can run a battery jumper cable from the battery positive to the "Hot Lug" on the starter itself..you're bypassing the solenoid and cable to the starter.....

Again. MAKE SURE THE JEEP IS IN NEUTRAL BEFORE DOING THIS...

If it's in gear it will run over you!!!!

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Do you know of any that can test the starter?...i dont think it is the problem though becuase it never gave any indication of any problems before.
thanks


Cody get your self a volt meter and test it the way I posted you are are wasting your time with all this other stuff. The procedure I gave you is what I use all the time

[ssyj]

just cough up the money for a new at autozone its little over a hundred bucks and has a lifetime warranty end of problem..

[dmxjg35]

just cough up the money for a new at autozone its little over a hundred bucks and has a lifetime warranty end of problem..


im not sure its the starter, i just put in a brand new one, that was bench tested at the auto parts store before they gave it to me, no dice not the problem, i would be willing to bet money its the battery cables, ill know for sure this weekend :dbeer:

[wrangler]

Cody get your self a volt meter and test it the way I posted you are are wasting your time with all this other stuff. The procedure I gave you is what I use all the timeWill do...just need to catch up on some schol work first and catch a ride with someoe into town.

[XEON]

If you need a starter, I got one pre oiled... Its my starter from my 4 popper, it works just fine, I wont need it for the V8...

[wrangler]

If you need a starter, I got one pre oiled... Its my starter from my 4 popper, it works just fine, I wont need it for the V8...
need some time to figgure out what i need...but how much u asking for it?

[XEON]

need some time to figgure out what i need...but how much u asking for it?

$20 and its yours!

Need a motor?

[wrangler]

is it in good condition?...i mean u beat on ur rig pretty bad...I meen to sound mean but I know u do stuff thta i wouldn't simply cuz u know how to fix it lol...i gotta figgure out what the proba ctualy is b4 i do anything though

[XEON]

Condition:
It works
It has oil on it from oil leak
Still turns over

I would only use it as a spare or temporary. It can go at anytime its from an 88 so...

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Condition:
It works
It has oil on it from oil leak
Still turns over

I would only use it as a spare or temporary. It can go at anytime its from an 88 so...

What more could you ask for IT WORKS!

[dmxjg35]

im telling you replace the battery cables!! i just replaced mine and low and behold it starts like a charm, advanced auto parts has them for like 4 bucks a peiece its worth the try for you.

[wrangler]

just got a metter..will test tomorow if i have time...what kind of cables do u need...do u need to replace all of them or just some?

Thanks

[XEON]

just got a metter..will test tomorow if i have time...what kind of cables do u need...do u need to replace all of them or just some?

Thanks

Replace every wire under the hood... JK you would be there for days replacing those wires. Get what, 4 Gauge battery cable and replace the one going from the starter to the power block I think? Then the one from the power block to the battery. I think thats right... correct me if I am wrong.

[mybigredjeep]

god dam justin you are such a good writer u should work for 4 wheeler and write your thoughts on the h2 sut

[wrangler]

What did you clean the terminals with? Post cleaner is the best or a wire brush you need to get them spot less. What voltage does the battery readjust sitting there on a digital voltmeter (not the gauge on the dash)? Then check the voltage on the battery while cranking (you will need two people for this) Then check voltage on the post on the starter while cranking post all those numbers and I can better solve your problem for you. But I need to know the voltage readings.
Ok i got a volt meter and tested some things... The batt by itself (neg on neg pos on pos terminal) read 12.31. If i flipped on the lights it dropped a little, but not to much. With the key turned to the on position it dropped to 12.28. With the key in the OFF position, when i tested the ground and the pos on the actual starter it read 12.29. Shouldn't it be nothing if the key is off? when ti turned the key to cranking position the voltage read 12.28 at the starter. Do I have the probes on the wrong part? I was testing the wires that bolt on the selenoid. the ground i was using was a small black wire and the pos was a think red wire that disperses into black plastic casing. the voltage on the battery while in the crank position read 11.95.

I'm confused why there seems to be voltage at the starter while the key is off. I would conclude that the wires are not the problem because there is only a small drop?

Thanks,
Cody

[XEON]

There should be voltaeg at the battery all the time...

There should be voltage at the starter too, because the soleniod activates the starter. Basically its a electrical light switch. I dont know about the numbers you are getting, someoen with more experence will know.

[wrangler]

There should be voltage at the battery all the time...

There should be voltage at the starter too, because the solenoid activates the starter. Basically its a electrical light switch. I don't know about the numbers you are getting, someone with more experience will know.
So turning the key just actuates the solenoid? Thus..i could just have a problem with the solenoid?

Thanks,
Cody

[ROCKREADYXJ]

that 11.94v you got while cranking was that on the wire that is bolted to the starter? and did you have the neg on the battery? Your battery is borderline being good. They usually say at 12.2 to replace.

[wrangler]

that 11.94v you got while cranking was that on the wire that is bolted to the starter? and did you have the neg on the battery? Your battery is borderline being good. They usually say at 12.2 to replace.a week ago when i started this tread i'm sure the voltages were higher.

[dmxjg35]

just got a metter..will test tomorow if i have time...what kind of cables do u need...do u need to replace all of them or just some?

Thanks

the main cables you want to replace are the negitive that goes to the bolt by the side of the engine, the negitive ground, its like 3 inches long and is right next to the batt. the posivite that goes to the starter and the positive that goes to the fuse box under the hood.

Replacing those cables can only help espically if you go to a heavier gauge like i did, 0 gauge :wtg:

[wrangler]

the main cables you want to replace are the negitive that goes to the bolt by the side of the engine, the negitive ground, its like 3 inches long and is right next to the batt. the posivite that goes to the starter and the positive that goes to the fuse box under the hood.

Replacing those cables can only help espically if you go to a heavier gauge like i did, 0 gauge :wtg:
Thanks, but didn'y we just determine by my volatages that the cable is not the problem? All the interior stuf works great so why would the fuse box have a bad cable?

Thanks

[ROCKREADYXJ]

Thanks, but didn'y we just determine by my volatages that the cable is not the problem? All the interior stuf works great so why would the fuse box have a bad cable?

Thanks

No not yet you never answered my questions from above and just to clarify the wire you are testing is the large guage cable right? Check it on the actual batery posts. no where else. and check voltage before you start. It sounds like a combo of things weak battery and possibly corroded cables inside.




that 11.94v you got while cranking was that on the wire that is bolted to the starter? and did you have the neg on the battery? Your battery is borderline being good. They usually say at 12.2 to replace. 11-13-2005 03:52 PM

[dmxjg35]

yea mine did the same thing, the radio worked, then int lights worked even the headlights worked, but it wouldnt start and once i tried to start it nothing worked after that, here you go

Negitive (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=LYN&mfrpartnumber=LCSB432C&parttype=178&ptset=A) Linkie $6.99

Positive (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=LYN&mfrpartnumber=LCS432C&parttype=178&ptset=A) Linkie $7.49

for 15.00 bucks id say its worth a shot, you are gonna have to replace them sooner or later and since your truck is like an 89 or something id do it sooner i mean seriously you have tried everything else for 15 bucks its worth a shot no?

[wrangler]

yea mine did the same thing, the radio worked, then int lights worked even the headlights worked, but it wouldnt start and once i tried to start it nothing worked after that, here you go

Negitive (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=LYN&mfrpartnumber=LCSB432C&parttype=178&ptset=A) Linkie $6.99

Positive (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?mfrcode=LYN&mfrpartnumber=LCS432C&parttype=178&ptset=A) Linkie $7.49

for 15.00 bucks id say its worth a shot, you are gonna have to replace them sooner or later and since your truck is like an 89 or something id do it sooner i mean seriously you have tried everything else for 15 bucks its worth a shot no?
my pos cable has alot moire crap comin of it then that on though..i'll look inoto it